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Offered Freelance on Chomage

Applied for a role as a developer in a German company.
Had a three interviews, all went well but ...
They proposed 3 month project as a freelance.

But I am on chomage... now I know I can sign off, and sign back on if it all goes south, so no job after 3 months.

And I think I can take a gain intermediate depending on what the contract is worth? The chomage office told me to use a company called Helvetic payroll? Anybody else use these people? They are telling me I need to earn at least 6K pcm to go thru them, it is the minimum salary for part time/contract work I am told?

Helvetic Payroll tell me I will be able to stay on Chomage longer if signup thru them, but that isn't the story I hear from others. I think Chomage will look to reassess payments when I have been in the system for 2 years, if I haven't worked for more than 1 year during that time I think I get nothing, so no extension. I would just paid tax into a system that won't pay out.
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Re: Offered Freelance on Chomage

I would declare it as gain intermediare if it is only temporary. When i was on chomage I had a 50% position that I was gradually able to increase until I was earning enough to leave the chomage.



With the chomage you have a 2-year period during which you can receive payment, but only for a certain number of days - works out about 18 months. Every day the chomage pays you is deducted from your allocation. However, if you work and declare it as gain intermediaire then those days are not deducted from your allocated days, so you extend the length of time that you can receive payments in the sense that instead of your chomage payments ending after 18 months, they will end at 21 months (the number of allocated days doesn't change). However, the limit for payment at the current rate remains 24 months. After 2 years on chomage then you would need to have worked 1 year to get chomage again and they would recalculate based on your earnings for the last 6-12 months.



There is no minimum or max for gain intermediaire as far as I know - but there are more knowledgeable folk than me here!
No experience of payroll, but am assuming for their business it makes sense to have a minimum salary requirement.
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Re: Offered Freelance on Chomage

Ok, I think I understand; but gain intermediare doesn't sound like a good option.

I stopped working in the fall of 2018, so my claim period ends fall of 2020.

During that time I found six weeks work in 2019.
I have now found three months work in 2020.

But I need 1 year work to continue after fall 2020. So signing up with Helvetic Payroll makes no sense since they will pay unemployment insurance that I will never claim.
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Re: Offered Freelance on Chomage

I think the unemployment payments that you might have to make are a trivial (unless you are on the bread line) matter. The question is: is being on their payroll helpful for your psyche and does it help finding an external job. When I worked whilst on benefit, it did not increase my number of days as I got the maximum anyway, I did earn slightly more money than was deducted. I never looked at the benefit contributions as I was happy to get out of the house and feel useful.
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Ok, I think I understand; but gain intermediare doesn't sound like a good option.

I stopped working in the fall of 2018, so my claim period ends fall of 2020.

During that time I found six weeks work in 2019.
I have now found three months work in 2020.

But I need 1 year work to continue after fall 2020. So signing up with Helvetic Payroll makes no sense since they will pay unemployment insurance that I will never claim.

Do you earn more with this new contract than with the chomage? If not, then the chomage will top it up. That's why it's worth to declare as gain intermediaire. Otherwise, yes, you would have to leave the chomage if you are not declaring it.

I can't help with the payroll company, but I guess it's to deduct social charges etc. and facilitate completing the gain intermediaire form.
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Re: Offered Freelance on Chomage

You are entitled to 400 days of paid chomage. If you find ^temporary work' for lets say 92 days out of this, these 92 days (4 days/week) get 'added' to your period with ORP, such that they finally do pay you your 400 days. However, after 24 calendar months you cannot get paid irrespective of how many temp days you put in.

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