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Chomage sounds great at first but think twice before going that route.

2 years' out of work makes it extremely difficult to get back into work.

The gap will remain with you for the next 5 years as most employers consider your work history over a 5 year period.

For a middle-aged person, is it really worth the risk?

By the way, I have posted this thread for the benefit of others, and it does not reflect my personal situation.

I have met people that could not get back into work after 2 years. And the truth is they wanted the easy money which affected their job search prospects.

Outside of Switzerland no one respects people that don’t work for long periods of time and claim unemployment benefits.

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Re: Lack of concern about a 2 year job stop on your CV

You make chomage look like a sabbatical...
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You make chomage look like a sabbatical...
Well, it kind of is.
What would you call a monthly appointment with an unfriendly person, and 10 applications a month? Plus too much administration to make you feel ill, and that would slow down even the most efficient person.
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Well, it kind of is.
What would you call a monthly appointment with an unfriendly person, and 10 applications a month? Plus too much administration to make you feel ill, and that would slow down even the most efficient person.
Your new job, that´s it. Until you find another one.
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Your new job, that´s it. Until you find another one.
The point is that taking this money influences the job searchers ambitions and makes them too selective for their next job - leading them to stay out of work for longer, in which for some cases it might eventually be too late for them. 2 years is an incredibly long time for someone that had a career.
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Re: Lack of concern about a 2 year job stop on your CV

I guess you would need to be able to well explain the 2 year gap. Saying you tried and failed to get a job for 2 years would look bad. Saying you were being lazy and just wanted to take a government-funded sabbatical probably wouldn't be taken well by many employers either.
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Re: Lack of concern about a 2 year job stop on your CV

To be fair, if someone was successful before loosing its job i don't see any possible outcome where in a 2 yeas span they don't find any job offering. Also as we all know you have to take any job that is offered to you in that timeframe making it so that you have to accept work that potentially is in another field or lower in hirarchy.

That said if someone puts that low effort on finding a job for that much time i as well would not employ such a person without a specific reason.
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I guess you would need to be able to well explain the 2 year gap. Saying you tried and failed to get a job for 2 years would look bad. Saying you were being lazy and just wanted to take a government-funded sabbatical probably wouldn't be taken well by many employers either.
You don't need to say you were looking for jobs for 2 years. Can just say sabbatical 1 year, make up a compelling story how you traveled somewhere and/or enjoyed gardening, then started looking for jobs and it wasn't easy after a break, so now its almost two years.

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To be fair, if someone was successful before loosing its job i don't see any possible outcome where in a 2 yeas span they don't find any job offering. Also as we all know you have to take any job that is offered to you in that timeframe making it so that you have to accept work that potentially is in another field or lower in hirarchy.
You can actually reject it and hope that RAV won't find out (they don't trace back all of your applications). And even if they will, you will only get some penalty days, but you will still be eligible of the unemployment benefit after penalty ends.




P.S. I myself plan to go on a 2-year paid sabbatical at some point. One should exploit the system while it is still there. Your life is worth more than any career/money/advancement etc.
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Re: Lack of concern about a 2 year job stop on your CV

A lot depends on what you do during your chomage.

i.e. When I interview candidates, its not unusual to see gaps in their CVs of 1-3 years. What they did in the gap is what counts.
- sit on the sofa for a year vs a candidate with no gap? I know who I am picking
- develop themselves, do an online course and broaden their skillset? Thats a different story
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Re: Lack of concern about a 2 year job stop on your CV

<<Chomage sounds great at first but think twice before going that route.>>
If you can think about/decide to go that route, you're not an unemployed in the sense of the word.

I was unemployed several times. I was always very, very busy during that time, the "work for the RAV" ... or back then it was just a guy at the 'Gemeinde' doing the job, was a thing on the side.
One time I started an education (I did the "nebenberuflich" (avocational) version, so I was still entitled to unemployment money) and the RAV guy even financed an traineeship! THAT knocked me out, I remember it well During the internship I was not really "vermittelbar" (employable) and still it was HIM who offered it.

Each time I ended up being offered a job (and all good ones), after longer periods of official unemployment.

So it all depends on how you deal with unemployment, if you put life first (as someone said life is more important) then you grab the opportunities it holds. Unemployment is a great chance to change direction.
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Well, this is just sad to hear. Going with this mindset of exploiting the system is what makes it worse for everyone.

Also if you really want the hassle to deal with all the Ämter and with the applications just for the sake of "free" money, go for it. Hope you feel better after. I could not, but i guess for each their own.

That said, you might find yourself learning a new language or some skill in those 2 yeas so it will fit in your CV.
Also you can always say you worked as a "selbständiger" during those times and now you want to get back as an employed for security or whatever reason.
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You don't need to say you were looking for jobs for 2 years. Can just say sabbatical 1 year, make up a compelling story how you traveled somewhere and/or enjoyed gardening, then started looking for jobs and it wasn't easy after a break, so now its almost two years.

You can actually reject it and hope that RAV won't find out (they don't trace back all of your applications). And even if they will, you will only get some penalty days, but you will still be eligible of the unemployment benefit after penalty ends.

P.S. I myself plan to go on a 2-year paid sabbatical at some point. One should exploit the system while it is still there. Your life is worth more than any career/money/advancement etc.

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Well, this is just sad to hear. Going with this mindset of exploiting the system is what makes it worse for everyone.

Also if you really want the hassle to deal with all the Ämter and with the applications just for the sake of "free" money, go for it. Hope you feel better after. I could not, but i guess for each their own.
You know that a phone call or personal reference also officially counts as an application? Make 5 phone calls to old applications to get informed that it's not available anymore, submit 3-4 shitty standard non-tailored CV to some random positions, and maybe make 1 true tailored application for a sexy job in a cool company that you will never get (and if you by chance get it, take it). If anyone from those shit jobs dares to interview you, fail it miserably. It will be even a hilarious experience to remember and tell your friends in a bar.

Total amount of work here is 1 day, maybe 2, you get paid for 22. It's an excellent deal, all you need is a slightly corrupt attitude and ability to be a decent pretender.

Last time I was unemployed was the best time in my life. Unfortunately I did not have a proper residence permit to mess around for 2 years back then, so I had to take up a job.
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P.S. I myself plan to go on a 2-year paid sabbatical at some point. One should exploit the system while it is still there. Your life is worth more than any career/money/advancement etc.

The optimal way to exploit the system is by enjoying life while working. Why wait until getting income while not working? The decision to enjoy 100% of life or only a 2 year break is not that hard, right?
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Nice attitude
I am just not a hypocrite, unlike many others. I don't say what society accepts, I say what can realistically be done, be it good or bad from the society point of view.

Better than wasting your best years in some office

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The optimal way to exploit the system is by enjoying life while working.
Yeah, and then we get posts from guys in depression, so desperate, that they ask random people on a forum for advice, and who say the only good thing in their life is their job.

We should have universal income (very low, just enough for food and shelter). Then people will be focusing on truly meaningful things be it self-development, playing football or lying on a couch, instead of pretending that selling yourself for 40h/week in order to survive is meaningful.
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I am just not a hypocrite, unlike many others.

Better than wasting your best years in some office

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You sound like it's better for any company if you're unemployed. Your best years don't sound all that good.

Unemployment-system is an insurance. Insurance fraud is a crime. Not a gentleman crime here. Do tell as many people in as many bars how much fun you're having, once you started your project.

How ever, I must have missed the post in which this thread was declared this weeks Friday-thread. (they used to be better, though).
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How ever, I must have missed the post in which this thread was declared this weeks Friday-thread. (they used to be better, though).

The person in charge for Friday threads is unfortunately on a two year sabbatical. Once the person is back in his/her office job, wasting some more time of his/hers best years, he/she will have plenty of time to post on Fridays.
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Yeah, and then we get posts from guys in depression, so desperate, that they ask random people on a forum for advice, and who say the only good thing in their life is their job.

We should have universal income (very low, just enough for food and shelter). Then people will be focusing on truly meaningful things be it self-development, playing football or lying on a couch, instead of pretending that selling yourself for 40h/week in order to survive is meaningful.
I had universal income until 22 years old: parents.

I appreciate freedom more than someone telling me what to do in exchange for food, shelter and videogames, so I ended 10K km away from the parents whoring myself 43 hours a week

Jobs are different, not everyone can be a surgeon manipulating guts, not everyone can be a banker manipulating money, not everyone hast the guts to be soldier, not everyone can teach kids, it's totally obvious that not everyone can be happy in an office. However, just because you are not happy with you current job is not a reason for universal income and meaningful self-development. Don't be lazy and fearful, leave that office job and do the things you enjoy.

If I really enjoy something I do it for free. I don't need anyone paying me to stay in bed, I do it for free Maybe that's the reason universal income doesn't exist. People asking the government for money to do things what a lot of people does for free. You cannot compete with me. I charge 0 for sleeping and drinking beer while universal income people want to charge 2000 CHF per month.
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Re: Lack of concern about a 2 year job stop on your CV

I've enjoyed free RAV money for about 11 months the last 4 years. To be honest, it is more trouble than it is worth. The stress of maybe being offered a job 2 hours from home and having to accept it... soon Ill be over 50 though and since I only work 60%, the next time Ill be fired will be more relaxing.

I am highly in favor of universal basic income, i think people should have the right to choose not to work (but still have food and shelter). I once read that in my native Holland, the cost of government administration for all kinds of benefits is so high, abolishing this would pay for a UBI.
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