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Would you provide a photo?

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I'm an Senior Software dev with 20 years experience. Thinking about applying for a job in Switzerland.


Getting the CV together now and I've seen a lot of advice that CVs in mainland Europe should include a small photo of yourself.


I'm not really comfortable with that, as I don't want to run the risk that I might be rejected if a recruiter simply doesn't like the look of me for whatever reason. However, if it's recommended, I will do it.



Maybe it's different for tech jobs, whereby your skills are listed and they match by that. Whereas for sales jobs they would like a photo to see what impression you give people?



Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Would you provide a photo?

no need, if you are not comfortable dont add it, CVs with photos are not common anyway
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I'm not really comfortable with that, as I don't want to run the risk that I might be rejected if a recruiter simply doesn't like the look of me for whatever reason. However, if it's recommended, I will do it .
No need to, if you donít want to. But do you seriously think anyone is going to take on someone that they donít like the look of?
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no need, if you are not comfortable dont add it, CVs with photos are not common anyway
Every CV in Switzerland has a photo. Please read the twenty existing threads about it. Nobody can force you to do it, but if you donít is the chance higher that you are sorted out than if you look like a gorilla. Nobody ever looks at the pic and hires software developers by their looks.
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Re: Would you provide a photo?

In my view this is an appalling practice and is certainly exploited as a means to discriminate.

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Re: Would you provide a photo?

A Swiss CV "requires" a photo. Yes, discrimination is "legal" here and happens all the time -be it for race, gender, age etc etc
Feel free to use photo-shop if you think your appearance will negatively affect your application.
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A Swiss CV "requires" a photo. Yes, discrimination is "legal" here and happens all the time -be it for race, gender, age etc etc
Feel free to use photo-shop if you think your appearance will negatively affect your application.
KiwiSteve why does an entire nation of 8 million persons allow a corrupt system to exist?
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KiwiSteve why does an entire nation of 8 million persons allow a corrupt system to exist?
Only half of those 8 million people can vote, and 95% of those a WASPs.
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Only half of those 8 million people can vote, and 95% of those a WASPs.
Why only half? And what does WASPs stand for?
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KiwiSteve why does an entire nation of 8 million persons allow a corrupt system to exist?
Corrupt? Switzerland?
Because everyone has their nose in the trough?
I don't think the Swiss "system" is more or less corrupt than most other places. A lot is historical. You can argue that local people looking after their own served a good social function ensuring all locals got a job regardless of their "handicaps".
As everywhere, it pays to have you eyes open and protest, fight (if circumstances allow), accept, whatever, everyone has to make their own way.
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KiwiSteve why does an entire nation of 8 million persons allow a corrupt system to exist?
Because it has always been done this way. Change in Switzerland is very slow, change does happen but at a snailís pace

Actually that is one of the things that I like about my country.

But feel free to omit it as it isnít a legal requirement They will get a good look at you at your first interview. If they intend to discriminate it will be done at that point, like everywhere else.
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In my view this is an appalling practice and is certainly exploited as a means to discriminate.
Don't worry, they start with the name, nationality, they don't even need a picture.

With pictures....I think age would be a problem, not necessarily skin colour etc.

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I'm an Senior Software dev with 20 years experience. Thinking about applying for a job in Switzerland.
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Maybe it's different for tech jobs, whereby your skills are listed and they match by that. Whereas for sales jobs they would like a photo to see what impression you give people?

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Thoughts? I'd say don't worry, picture or not. Fortunately this field is much more democratic and meritocratic than many others and the selection is rarely done by some bigoted middle aged HR woman.

Make sure your CV matches the job and you list all your technical skills and qualifications and mention you can work well in a dynamic team. Good luck.
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Only half of those 8 million people can vote, and 95% of those a WASPs.
Closer to 4 1/2 million, many residents donít have a vote and many are too young.

WASP means White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. Yes many Swiss are white, but not so many Anglo-Saxons. Christians are split as well.

Not a very good description of a Swiss voter.

IMHO you are more likely to be discriminated against by not following Swiss custom than for being non-white.
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IMHO you are more likely to be discriminated against by not following Swiss custom than for being non-white.

Or for just being a foreigner, regardless of skin colour and what not.

When they look at someone's CV they wouldn't know if they respect the Swiss rules or not (which not all the Swiss respect anyway). I think that was a poor justification for discrimination.
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A Swiss CV "requires" a photo. Yes, discrimination is "legal" here and happens all the time -be it for race, gender, age etc etc
Feel free to use photo-shop if you think your appearance will negatively affect your application.
Just for the record, discrimination on gender or race is not legal here although age is. Just like most other western countries.
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But they are required to discriminate. Swiss first, then EU nationals resident in Switzerland, then other EU nationals, then everyone else.

There is never justification for discrimination, but it does exist. But when a HR department get an overwhelming number of applications they need to reduce the volume to a workable number. How is this done? Likely by some clerk looking for reasons to reject.
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Hi folks!


I'm an Senior Software dev with 20 years experience. Thinking about applying for a job in Switzerland.


Getting the CV together now and I've seen a lot of advice that CVs in mainland Europe should include a small photo of yourself.


I'm not really comfortable with that, as I don't want to run the risk that I might be rejected if a recruiter simply doesn't like the look of me for whatever reason. However, if it's recommended, I will do it.



Maybe it's different for tech jobs, whereby your skills are listed and they match by that. Whereas for sales jobs they would like a photo to see what impression you give people?



Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance.
And the point is. What do they nned a photo for? To see whether you have 2 heads or not? Long hair ( suspect ) Beard or no beard.( suspect ) Dark skin or light skin.

Be a man and simply dont send a photo. If they don't like it then stuff them!
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If you put a photo on your CV, then please make sure that it is a recent photo of professional quality. It should not be a mugshot-like picture and neither should it show how you looked 15 years ago.
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Aww. I think I look cute as a six year old
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Re: Would you provide a photo?

Why not? At the first interview, they will see, how you look. And if they don't like it, they'll drop you then and there, so nothing gained by not sending a pic.

OTOH, if you are disfigured by a medical condition, then that's a different story and you might want to use a different strategy.
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