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Entry level IT jobs - EU student

Hello,

I'm 23 years old from Greece, interested in working in Switzerland as a software developer. I don't have any formal qualifications, but within the next 2 months I'll be starting my online BSc in Computer Science. My German is A1 but I'm working on improving it.

Since it's an online degree, I will be able to work anywhere I want while studying. I've been teaching programming myself for a few months and after the summer I will have completed some projects to demonstrate my skills.

Do I stand any chance of securing an intership/job this year, or it would be easier if I completed at least one year of the degree?

Thank you in advance.
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Re: Entry level IT jobs - EU student

It is impossible if you dont have some real experience. Swiss companies are looking for seniors, if they need beginners, they can find some in the schools very easily.

If you have some years of experience with a special skill set, it is much easier. But of course it does not guarantee anything, because the proper references are very important.

For example: I am from Hungary, i had 9 years as an IT expert there. But it is Eastern Europe, and to tell the truth, the reference value of this is absolute 0 in Switzerland. I applied for swiss jobs without any response.

Then I spent a year in Vienna where I worked for the Austrian office of a swiss company. With this in my CV i needed only one month to find a job here.
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Re: Entry level IT jobs - EU student

This place send me emails about junior roles on a daily basis.

https://www.academicwork.ch

Many/Most of them for students.

But wait, if you serious about getting an degree in IT, than maybe you should focus on doing that first. Get a job as junior jerk in IT and you'll get labelled and stuck there for the next twenty years, earning peanuts and dealing with dead heads.

No, focus on gaining a degree, get some good grades and than take an MSc, and get a job with one of the big boyz like Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, Cisco, Facebook, Instagram etc etc. [All of whom will demand a degree before even looking at you]. They will pay you well and you'll need to work hard. Save as much money as you can while you young; you may need it by the time you reach 50 and the IT industry drops you like stone.
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Re: Entry level IT jobs - EU student

Oh boy... I will answer from different angle (I work in IT). There is a chance but it won't be easy. Your first step would be to move here, then look for a internship position, that will be either not-paid or paid very low, normally they last from 3-12 months, after that your chances of finding a normal / junior position will be good.
It's the first step that is the hardest, I know people who re-qualified into IT and did exactly that, they looked for their first internship in their late 20's / early 30's and managed to find it (but wasn't easy).


My advice would be to get some experience before you start looking for a job! How? Very easy, start getting involved in some Open Source projects, make commits (and make sure they are merged into upstream) and through that build your knowledge and experience. Many companies these days ask candidates for their github accounts to see what they do - this might be very important especially in your case.




Also, to refer to previous person, it's absolutely NOT true that companies like Amazon or Google want only people with a degree... (but they want someone with experience)


Now, how to proceed is a question of your financials, can you afford to live in CH for a 1-1,5 year without finding a job / getting paid? If yes, come over, start study, start Open Source, and in parallel keep applying for those internships. If not, start study / Open Source at home, until you have some better experience (1-2 years).


Also, I don't believe that if you get a junior position you will be stuck there, you can always go up / sideways or change employer.
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There are internship and entry level jobs in IT, but you'll have to speak and write the local language at absolute minimum least B1. But more likely B2. It is highly likely you will need a degree.
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There are internship and entry level jobs in IT, but you'll have to speak and write the local language at absolute minimum least B1. But more likely B2. It is highly likely you will need a degree.

It is possible to find one with English only... but with German it will be easier
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This place send me emails about junior roles on a daily basis.

https://www.academicwork.ch

Many/Most of them for students.

But wait.....
Thank you for the link and the tips. I've heard that a lot of developers in the aforementioned companies in your post do not have a degree. But anyway, I will be studying to get a degree so that definitely doesn't apply to me.

Also, how am I going to be stuck for the next twenty years if I'm working on improving my skills and aim for a career progression?

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Oh boy... I will answer from different angle (I work in IT)...
Thank you very much. I agree with the most of the things you said. What I don't understand is, why should I move to CH 1 year before I try to find a job - while building my portfolio/github projects (which is something that I'm already working on)? Wouldn't it be better if I moved for example 1-2 months before trying to find an intership? Could you please elaborate on this part?


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I'm not sure if I wasn't clear on my first post, but I'm interested in working and studying at the same time and this will be possible thanks to the institution that is offering an online degree. I do not want to use the degree to get a job and then drop out, I am planning on getting the degree as well as putting my self in a good position to move professionally forward. I just thought that it would smart to take advantage of the free time and flexibility that an online degree offers and work at the same This is why I wanted to know about the chances of finding an intership.

Thank you everyone!




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It is possible to find one with English only... but with German it will be easier
Only just. Internships at one the local pharma companies require the candidate to be studying for a masters. Pays around 40000 a year.
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