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What is an Enterprise company? And what tenure was considered?
And why should a company evaluate a potential employee before hire?
Personally I hate IT quiz interviews.
Today you have multiple candidates for each job.

When i started to work (2004...2006) i remember there was a 30 minutes chat and salary expectations and thats it. I got my first 3 jobs like this.

Now i want to return to Portugal where there is a boom of IT software houses and for each i am spending 10 hours with several teams. For example the latest workflow was:

1 hour HR
3 hours QA department
2 hours the product management team

And now waiting for next steps
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According to OP, they didn't ask technical questions though.
Yes, I have read that. I am referring to the poster who thinks technical evaluations are unnecessary.
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Old 05.07.2020, 10:54
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Yes, I have read that. I am referring to the poster who thinks technical evaluations are unnecessary.
I did not say they are unnecessary. Just personally uncalled for.
However, The OP claims that he was unfairly given a job because he was not properly evaluated before hand. LOL there!!
A real serious business should operate with a low HR overhead. Ask pertinent questions and go by instinct and intuition on hiring a guy.
In the end it all comes down to personal relations more than all else. Communication is the key. Competency if lacking and is often the case at a new job can be gained. That's why I hate being asked tech questions in interviews. I'm not a walking library. I m here to do a job and get it done. Such interviewers IMO are wasting time.

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Today you have multiple candidates for each job.

When i started to work (2004...2006) i remember there was a 30 minutes chat and salary expectations and thats it. I got my first 3 jobs like this.

Now i want to return to Portugal where there is a boom of IT software houses and for each i am spending 10 hours with several teams. For example the latest workflow was:

1 hour HR
3 hours QA department
2 hours the product management team

And now waiting for next steps
My company (not IT) used to do that for a while but gave it up after realising we were hiring people that had one skill; How to interview well.
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Competency if lacking and is often the case at a new job can be gained. That's why I hate being asked tech questions in interviews. I'm not a walking library. I m here to do a job and get it done. Such interviewers IMO are wasting time.
Really? You think someone can be hired to work at a place like Google and if their competency level is not up to par, they can learn it there? It does not work like that I am afraid.

I am always skeptical of interviews where I am not asked technical questions. it can only mean one thing: The work is bog-standard and the company thinks it can be done by anyone with average or even below average skills. This is what we see everyday in the outsourcing world. The management brings in new people without evaluating them and then we see what sort of a mess it creates.
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That's really frustrating.


I'm also in between jobs and yes, coronavirus has made people slower to hire. However, it's easing up now.



I can only encourage you to keep networking and talk to people. Most jobs go via direct contact/work of mouth rather than advertising in the newspaper.


there are lots of threads on the forum here about english-focused employers and creative ways to find jobs.


The long-term key is language. Having fluency in the local language is a huge asset, and worth focusing on.



Join some meetup or local sport groups. My husband's sporting team is full of IT professionals and university researchers with really great networks.



Clearly there is work out there (you found two employers already who gave you job offers) - but yes, it's really frustrating when it's not the right 'fit' or does not work out the way you hoped.
I am nearing my end of probation and have put my point of view strongly with the management. They said sorry but can't help now.

They offered to put a reason for termination which will help me in job search. My question is what the future employer will like to see as the reason- skill mismatch or no projects or employee resignation for personal reasons. Can someone please suggest?
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I am nearing my end of probation and have put my point of view strongly with the management. They said sorry but can't help now.

They offered to put a reason for termination which will help me in job search. My question is what the future employer will like to see as the reason- skill mismatch or no projects or employee resignation for personal reasons. Can someone please suggest?
You're not resigning, are you? They're terminating the contract, so they should say so. There is no point at all in anyone pretending that you're resigning if you are not. No-one gains anything from that if it is just not true.

It sounds like it is a mismatch of skills, or a project taking a different direction.

Since you are relatively new in the country, it might be an idea to have the reference specify each kind of work that was your responsibility, specifically the tasks that the employer does believe you did properly or even well. And perhaps leave out whatever else they feel you didn't deliver, that they had hoped you would.
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