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Unemployed & babyís care

Hello
I will be unemployed after the birth of my child.
It seems I need to find a nursery 100% if I want to receive 100% allowance from unemployement benefits.
Someone knows something about this topics?
I feel bad to put my baby in a nursery if I donít work. But I need the unemployememt benefits as well otherwise I canít eat ...
well I m looking for another solution.
I am alone in my region.
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Re: Unemployed & babyís care

First of all, congratulations.


To clarify, why will you be un-employed after the birth? Did you lose your job or decide to quit?


The reality is that you have to be prepared and able to work as soon as work becomes available to you- or courses, work-placements, etc, selected by the unemployment office. As nursery/crÍche places are often hard to get at short notice- claimants have to have such organised for the duration of benefits. This is harsh - but it is what it is.
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Re: Unemployed & babyís care

RAV registered job seekers with dependent children need to complete a "Certificate of childcare (proof of care)" form that says this at the bottom (translated):

"The insured person is free to decide how to arrange for the care of his or her children (art. 15 AVIG). The implementing agencies may not demand proof of care at the time of registration for daily allowance payment. If, however, in the course of receiving benefits, the will or the possibility of entrusting childcare to an institution or a third party appears to be doubtful, the competent office must examine the ability to find a placement with regard to the concrete possibility of childcare. For this it must demand proof of custody. Indicators of the doubtfulness are, in particular, insufficient work efforts, abandonment of the previous position due to care obligations, untenable requirements for the acceptance of a position, refusal of reasonable work or non-fulfillable demands on working hours.

Eligibility for placement may not be denied lightly by reference to family care responsibilities. This applies in particular if a person, before becoming unemployed, has already provided evidence that he or she was willing and able to work despite caring responsibilities, and the previous job had to be given up for reasons for which he or she is not responsible.

An insured person with children in need of care must fulfill the same conditions as all other persons with regard to employability, in particular with regard to availability. It is therefore up to the insured person to organise his or her private and family life in such a way that he or she is not prevented from pursuing gainful employment or loss of work to the extent of the degree of employment or loss of work claimed.

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The undersigned confirm that all information given is true and correct. False statements may result in criminal sanctions and the recovery of any benefits wrongly received."

This form is called "Bescheinigung Kinderbetreuung (Obhutsnachweis)" in German and is also availabe in F and I languages at this link:

https://www.arbeit.swiss/secoalv/de/...beitslose.html

The form is translated into English at this link, post 28:

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...nslated-2.html


Good luck with your RAV registration and job search!
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Re: Unemployed & babyís care

@jackieH and @Mullhollander (fan of david lynch ;-))

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Thank you :-)
Yes unfortunately I lost my job within coronavirus and my pregnancy arrived at same time so it postponed it (in my case)

My first objective of course is to take care of my child but also to find quickly a new position. I have to and I like to work.
I am just afraid with the current situation how hard it would be so I need to be prepared
And I calculate the cost of the nursery and I am not able to afford it without a job.
So I try to find solution for next year to manage everything ...

Thank you very much
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Re: Unemployed & babyís care

First of all you don't need to work in the first 14-16 weeks after the birth.



For the childcare, if you are looking for work 100%, then you need have childcare arranged for 100%. You also have the option of organising part-time childcare and looking for part-time work.


Childcare can be a family member, friend, home carer (tagesmutter in german), nanny or babysitter, or childcare centre. Also, with childcare centres if you are low income, there may be the possiblity of subsidised places...


I would suggest looking around to see what your options are for childcare, near home. I assume you have a partner/spouse who is also part of the decision making and supports you financially ?
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Re: Unemployed & babyís care

Register with RAV and discuss this with your adivsor- who may be able to tell you about subisidies, depending on income.


It is very difficult if you do not have family support. I signed to be 100% carer for a friend's baby, for the RAV- until she found 100% childcare if she found a job- but it is not something someone who does not know and trust you will normally do. Your RAV advisor will hopefully be supportive and help.


Do you have a partner/husband who is in a job and can support you (oops see someone else has already asked the question).
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Unfortunately the man stopped our relationships after we knew this miracle.
He is still around but well I donít know how to deal with him at moment so I prefer to manage everything g without him and to have a good surprise at the end.
My parents will be around but they live at 4h by car and well they wonít (psycho) able to stay 100% in the German part of Switzerland (hihi they donít speak any German, and they are hyperactive so they will die &#128514
The baby will arrive at Christmas (yes a big huge miracle, For medical reason I couldnít have child, and I am more than 40...: thanks life/univers or whatever 🙏&#127775
So I canít apply at RAV before February or mars (they told me...)

Concerning the friend, they must not work? They must be in the same city than me? Otherwise how they could care of baby if I have a RAVís course/obligation or if I find a job for next month?

Thank you very much
You are all so helpful (this pregnancy is full of stress, I am lucky I know how to deal with and I am really organized and resilient but well it was not how I am far away from my dreamed first pregnancy :-/)
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Re: Unemployed & babyís care

Not sure how it works in Basel but if you were in Zurich my advice would be as follows:

-register for a 60% or 80% place at a nursery for the days that are high in demand (im Zurich was Mon-Tue and Thu) as adding on Wed and Fri is not an issue.
-then you can prove you are serious and have a plan but you will be hopefully able to afford that expense
-when the baby arrives and if you already know you will be going back to work, it will be good to have the help of the day care for a few days a week. Looking after the baby alone is a big responsibility and having some days a week where the baby can be well cared for, will give you some time to look after yourself and look for jobs, attend interview etc.
-in the meantime you can decide what % you want/can work at
-despite not being around, will the dad contribute financially for the baby?
-inform yourself on subsidies you may be eligible for

Take a deep breath - putting the child in nursery whilst you look for a job is not neglecting the child - it is looking after both you

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Re: Unemployed & babyís care

I am so sorry to hear that re the baby's father. Are you EU or non EU? And how will you finance yourself if you do not get RAV or employment?



And yes, whomever signs the form re childcare has to be really and provingly available and local enough for it to work. Anyone signing the forms will be at risk of fraud if they do not really commit to the possibility to taking over at short notice.


Hope you can work something out and that the father will take responsibility. Otherwise perhaps the only way will be to go home to your family.
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Hope you can work something out and that the father will take responsibility. Otherwise perhaps the only way will be to go home to your family.

Similar thoughts here. At least you have the rest of the pregnancy and also the maternity leave insured.



But if the father is really not going to be 'in the picture' - then I would very much want to recommend to build your supportive network around yourself and your new baby, as best you can, before the birth.



Actually, unless the father is really going to step up - think about moving sooner, somewhere cheaper, accessible to your family support, and strategic for your new job... a serious downsize.... And just double check with the RAV that you can move and register and still be insured correctly in another part of Switzerland.


Finding cheaper childcare is the key to financial stability at this point. So any way you can access that via family or close friends, will be essential.



You may also be able to access social worker / community support via the midwife or doctor that you are seeing for pregnancy care. I would highly recommend this as they should be able to put you in touch with additional supports and people who know how to access subsidised childcare and also to talk you through your options re; the child's father, and how to manage that in a way that is legal and focused.



I assume you were not married.... so you have a choice whether to register the father or not... and these are tough decisions... you need to be really wise and find someone who can talk you through your options and help you to make the best decision.


Are you still working through your pregnancy ?
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I assume you were not married.... so you have a choice whether to register the father or not...
  • If the mother and father are married, the child is automatically assumed to be theirs, unless a man (this husband, or another man) contests this automatic assumption.
  • If the mother and father are not married, the mother is still supposed to state who the father is.
    She does not have a right to a father-less child. If she chooses not to name the father, the Child Protection Agency will appoint a Legal Guardian for the child, whose duty it will be to do the research to find out who the child's father is. It can be much less tedious just to name him, in the first place. A child has a right to know.

From the point that the father is assumed, or named, the father has - just as the mother does - duties towards the child, such as taking decisions in the child's interest, and financing the child's life (which would include child-care, if both parents are working/studing/trying to run a business.

The central principle in Switzerland, for all matters about the child, it to consider what is in the child's best interests. As a general principle, the child has a right to easy access to and a relationship with both parents, unless so very serious reasons can be shown why the child should not see the parent(s).
Edit: Indeed, ensuring that the child has proper access to the other parent is part of each parent's responsibility towards the child.

It is now usual that the parents have joint parental responsibility (must both be consulted on and participate in significant aspect's of the child's life) and that the child has a split residence, living half the time with one parent, and half with the other. Whether or not this is practicable is influenced by many factors. Either or both parents can be ordered to contribute to the costs of raising the child. In practice, it can also change, over the years.

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Re: Unemployed & babyís care

Yes great idea, I guess it is a psychological concept. By the way if baby is in nursery I will look harder for a job as for me it is just awful to imagine to stay at home when baby is with other people. But you right to precise it is healthy for both of us ...
Good idea to ask for 40-60% a week then the rest I can deal with parents or friends.

Concerning the father I am lost with him, we both have been surprised and I guess it is “easier” for me as woman than for him. Our relationship was also new So I give him the time he needs even for money.
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In Zurich, you would be eligible for a significant subsidy on childcare if you are looking for a job. Worth looking into what the social programs are where you live.
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Yes great idea, I guess it is a psychological concept. By the way if baby is in nursery I will look harder for a job as for me it is just awful to imagine to stay at home when baby is with other people. But you right to precise it is healthy for both of us ...
Good idea to ask for 40-60% a week then the rest I can deal with parents or friends.

Concerning the father I am lost with him, we both have been surprised and I guess it is ďeasierĒ for me as woman than for him. Our relationship was also new So I give him the time he needs even for money.
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Give yourself the option to feel differently when the baby comes. Babies are amazing but exhausting and you will need the help/downtime. You will find a nice nursery where baby will thrive. Don't worry about it
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Yes great idea, I guess it is a psychological concept. ....
Concerning the father I am lost with him, we both have been surprised and I guess it is “easier” for me as woman than for him. Our relationship was also new So I give him the time he needs even for money.
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My point was not about the psychological concept, but the legal framework.

Just a few years ago, a friend and I made a lot of enquiries to help a young woman who found herself - like you - unexpectedly pregnant, while it seemed that the baby's father did not intend to participate. We were very surprised to learn that it it no longer optional for the mother to just leave "name of father" blank, on the form. Or at least, if she does that, it automatically means that she is not singly autonomous in taking decisions about her child. The KESB (child and adult protection agency) necessarily gets involved.

If she names the father, then the authorities seek him out, with the intention of gaining his participation, ideally in real contact with the child (because this is in the child's best interests, to know who his/her father is, and have contact), but with or without his commitment of his emotions or his time, in making sure his financial responsibility is defined (because this, too, is in the child's best interests).

If she does not name the father, then the KESB will initiate the necessary detective work to determine who the father most likely may have been. We were told very firmly that they would leave no stone unturned, and would investigate the relationships and circumstances of the mother during the time before she conceived, and will seek out testimonies of witnesses, in order to identify any man/men who could possible be the father.

This process is not optional. It cannot be avoided. It happens immediately upon birth, and persists relentlessly.

That is why I wrote that the mother can spare herself a lot of unecessary work and trouble by simply naming the father. The KESB is going to try to get him involved, so whatever the mother can contribute to facilitating his cooperative involvement of his own accord, will work towards reducing her stress with the KESB.

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Give yourself the option to feel differently when the baby comes.
Well said! The father, too, may feel differently.
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Re: Unemployed & babyís care

Yes I was thinking to put the name or not but you are right it is forbidden by the law.
By the way I am convinced about the place of the father (that s why I never tried to have a child alone)
It seems as well the father will be involved in the parenting so I will have to put lots of water in my wine... but as I am really convinced the father is important I must be able to deal with this situation. Even if my life will change a lot and will depend also of the father (so meaning: far from friends and family :-/)

Well letís see what this miracle will become ...

And all of you are right, I am sure I will be happy to keep a life (I am currently more than 40 y old so I have some freedomís needs lol)
Maybe I will receive subsidiary from state 🤔
What I am thinking is: I am lucky and solutionís oriented so I must trust myself a bit more ...

Crazy how women could sometimes lost confidence when we shouldnít ...

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Crazy system though - seems designed to lock single mothers into poverty. The rule should be along the lines that there must be sufficient childcare in place to cover time need to pursue a new job.

I hope it works out for you. And don't worry about stuff that's still, what, 9 months away?
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Moreover when you know the Swiss law push the 50/50 even with a baby
even if the father at beginning didnít want baby (how to prove pfff) and even if he left the relationships for bad reason (how to prove)
I donít know what is the best for my baby now.
I am happy the father came back to care baby. But well how to define something Good for a so little child.
I believe in family, I never had the image I will have to let my child sleeping somewhere every two weeks or two week end. And now I will have to.
I donít understand our parenting law and our society where people just donít care of the consequences of their act.

Feeling guilty for baby
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You have no reason to feel guilt. Get good advice, and do what's right. But at this moment - stop worrying. It's all months away.
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