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Guest 04.08.2020 14:35

Are you ever too old to be a beginner?
 
My story begins a few years ago when I came to CH to study. I had a very nice few years, I made a lot of friends, I was working in various jobs, including a restaurant job. I had an idea that, once I graduate from what I have studied, I will reasonably fast find a fitting job. Now, I can blame Corona or my lack of German skills (B2 level, but I still make mistakes from A2 level, mostly related to grammar), but ever since I graduated in March, I had no luck in finding a job. I have sent like 40 open letters or job applications, and I only had one interview (is 40 too little?). Actually, I am quite sure I can blame Corona, because some of them explained that they are even letting people go because of the situation.

What makes me sometimes miserable and question my whole life is the fact that I am 30 years old now. I had some job experience in my homeland, but never in my recently graduated profession. So, applying for internships, not having experience or even knowledge for many of those jobs, with 30, I feel as if sometimes I stand no chance with those who are 24 and applying for the same position. Because I still need to survive, I am again working in a restaurant. It is not an easy job and I often feel underappreciated, but I have no choice.

From your knowledge or experience, is starting with the early 30s with the profession kinda late? Do I still stand a chance of finding a job, or when employers see my CV, my age, and a gap in work-experience, it will decrease my chances a lot?

Lastly, I hope I did not offend anyone older than me. I don't think a person is "old" when 30, I just think it's kinda inconvenient age to be inexperienced. I am having a lot of self-doubts and feel bad about myself so maybe someone here has a positive story that might cheer me up, or at least set my expectations more realistically.

TheSpouse 04.08.2020 15:15

Re: Are you ever too old to be a beginner?
 
Chin up. You'll be fine. I graduated with a degree in hospital administration and I did, indeed, work in that field from age 22 to 29. Then we moved to a small town that had a tiny hospital and there were no jobs available. I decided that the small town needed a coffee house so I went to work at Books-A-Million for minimum wage for six months to learn how to buy and sell books and make a cappuccino. Then I opened my own shop and grew my business for the next 20 years.


At one point, I became infatuated with mid-century modern furniture and educated myself on the ins and outs of all of those designers and architects and became a dealer in that type of furniture, which I still do to this day on Facebook Marketplace.



In 2009, when I was 47, we moved to Switzerland for my husband's job. I went to French classes for 6 years to become fluent enough to be able to go wine school near Nyon. Started attending Ecole de Vin Changins when I was 54 and went there for 3 years to learn everything about the wine industry.


We bought a vineyard in France in 2019 when I was 57 years old and we are renovating a 15th century chateau as well.


Never, never think that you are done. If your future looks bleak, rewrite it. Set a goal and go for it. Best of luck.

Axa 04.08.2020 18:54

Re: Are you ever too old to be a beginner?
 
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I had some job experience in my homeland, but never in my recently graduated profession. So, applying for internships, not having experience or even knowledge for many of those jobs, with 30, I feel as if sometimes I stand no chance with those who are 24 and applying for the same position.

Hey, been there. Don't be so hard on yourself. You have the formal education and some experience...that's already more than other people applying for the same position. Remember all people bluff to a certain degree.

olygirl 04.08.2020 18:56

Re: Are you ever too old to be a beginner?
 
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Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3203935)
. Remember all people bluff to a certain degree.

Men more than women.
Germans more than the Swiss. :D

Troublawesome 05.08.2020 16:00

Re: Are you ever too old to be a beginner?
 
30 is the new 20...

Superfast 06.08.2020 13:36

Re: Are you ever too old to be a beginner?
 
We all have have times for doubt.

For example when i was 25 i got a job in a German multinational (i am from IT engineer Sector) and i got a credit for a car, house and i was supper happy.

Company went bankrupcy in 2009 and i had only debts.

2009 was a really bad time to get new job in Porto so i had to travel around Portugal to continue working (luckily i got IT because people knew my work from Porto).

In 2011, paying my hometown house and new acommodation where i was working plus trips to home etc was unbearable. I remember i came to Zurich for job interview with around 500 bucks as balance.

Today 2020 i have 9 years of IT banking experience and i am really doubting if i want to work for such big companies and so on.

I grew up a lot in IT and became a leader and obcessed with time to market and profit.

Now i think i will move back and start with Tourism sector: Buy flats in Porto for rent, making tours and so on.

So at 40 i will start from zero perhaps. Wish me luck

trailingspousebern 06.08.2020 16:04

Re: Are you ever too old to be a beginner?
 
This was just beautiful to read. Thank you for sharing.

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Originally Posted by TheSpouse (Post 3203877)
Chin up. You'll be fine. I graduated with a degree in hospital administration and I did, indeed, work in that field from age 22 to 29. Then we moved to a small town that had a tiny hospital and there were no jobs available. I decided that the small town needed a coffee house so I went to work at Books-A-Million for minimum wage for six months to learn how to buy and sell books and make a cappuccino. Then I opened my own shop and grew my business for the next 20 years.


At one point, I became infatuated with mid-century modern furniture and educated myself on the ins and outs of all of those designers and architects and became a dealer in that type of furniture, which I still do to this day on Facebook Marketplace.



In 2009, when I was 47, we moved to Switzerland for my husband's job. I went to French classes for 6 years to become fluent enough to be able to go wine school near Nyon. Started attending Ecole de Vin Changins when I was 54 and went there for 3 years to learn everything about the wine industry.


We bought a vineyard in France in 2019 when I was 57 years old and we are renovating a 15th century chateau as well.


Never, never think that you are done. If your future looks bleak, rewrite it. Set a goal and go for it. Best of luck.


memihai 07.08.2020 15:05

Re: Are you ever too old to be a beginner?
 
it depends on the profession.

generally in Switzerland employers expect a qualification in their field of activity that can be achieved by having a diploma/EFZ/bachelor/etc and then work experience. it is not impossible but you will first need to commit a few years to studying and then some time for searching for jobs. this happens if you want to change field of activity
then, Swiss nationals are preferred for the jobs where hundreds of people with more or less the same skills apply for the same job.
So choosing a work field where you want to be employed needs to take into consideration not only what you like to do but also the demand and offer on the job market.
Concrete example: a diploma in graphic design would hardly bring you a job on the Swiss market.

if you want to start your own business and you are good and passionate at what you do, as well as have realistic expectations, market entry and the needed time and money ressources, you will succeed.


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Originally Posted by Guest (Post 3203866)
My story begins a few years ago when I came to CH to study. I had a very nice few years, I made a lot of friends, I was working in various jobs, including a restaurant job. I had an idea that, once I graduate from what I have studied, I will reasonably fast find a fitting job. Now, I can blame Corona or my lack of German skills (B2 level, but I still make mistakes from A2 level, mostly related to grammar), but ever since I graduated in March, I had no luck in finding a job. I have sent like 40 open letters or job applications, and I only had one interview (is 40 too little?). Actually, I am quite sure I can blame Corona, because some of them explained that they are even letting people go because of the situation.

What makes me sometimes miserable and question my whole life is the fact that I am 30 years old now. I had some job experience in my homeland, but never in my recently graduated profession. So, applying for internships, not having experience or even knowledge for many of those jobs, with 30, I feel as if sometimes I stand no chance with those who are 24 and applying for the same position. Because I still need to survive, I am again working in a restaurant. It is not an easy job and I often feel underappreciated, but I have no choice.

From your knowledge or experience, is starting with the early 30s with the profession kinda late? Do I still stand a chance of finding a job, or when employers see my CV, my age, and a gap in work-experience, it will decrease my chances a lot?

Lastly, I hope I did not offend anyone older than me. I don't think a person is "old" when 30, I just think it's kinda inconvenient age to be inexperienced. I am having a lot of self-doubts and feel bad about myself so maybe someone here has a positive story that might cheer me up, or at least set my expectations more realistically.


memihai 07.08.2020 15:07

Re: Are you ever too old to be a beginner?
 
depending on the field, 400 applications could also be sent for an interview.

have you thought looking for a practice to get some work experience, and after that to a full-fledged job?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guest (Post 3203866)
My story begins a few years ago when I came to
CH to study. I had a very nice few years, I made a lot of friends, I was working in various jobs, including a restaurant job. I had an idea that, once I graduate from what I have studied, I will reasonably fast find a fitting job. Now, I can blame Corona or my lack of German skills (B2 level, but I still make mistakes from A2 level, mostly related to grammar), but ever since I graduated in March, I had no luck in finding a job. I have sent like 40 open letters or job applications, and I only had one interview (is 40 too little?). Actually, I am quite sure I can blame Corona, because some of them explained that they are even letting people go because of the situation.

What makes me sometimes miserable and question my whole life is the fact that I am 30 years old now. I had some job experience in my homeland, but never in my recently graduated profession. So, applying for internships, not having experience or even knowledge for many of those jobs, with 30, I feel as if sometimes I stand no chance with those who are 24 and applying for the same position. Because I still need to survive, I am again working in a restaurant. It is not an easy job and I often feel underappreciated, but I have no choice.

From your knowledge or experience, is starting with the early 30s with the profession kinda late? Do I still stand a chance of finding a job, or when employers see my CV, my age, and a gap in work-experience, it will decrease my chances a lot?

Lastly, I hope I did not offend anyone older than me. I don't think a person is "old" when 30, I just think it's kinda inconvenient age to be inexperienced. I am having a lot of self-doubts and feel bad about myself so maybe someone here has a positive story that might cheer me up, or at least set my expectations more realistically.


Chuff 07.08.2020 15:32

Re: Are you ever too old to be a beginner?
 
What happened to the OP? :confused:

Axa 07.08.2020 15:40

Re: Are you ever too old to be a beginner?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3204736)
What happened to the OP? :confused:


Requested deletion? :confused:


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