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Old 25.08.2020, 10:00
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Re: Cultural or unprofessional?

People still write notes after an interview???

An interview is a mutual thing - it's not just you interviewing a candidate, but the candidate interviewing your organization. You don't just accept them, they accept your organization/leadership/team, etc.

Do you write a thank you note to all candidates before sendign them the go/nogo email? Of course not, it's a waste of time.

I have received a small handful of thank you emails after an interview (more typically a linkedin connection request). These have no bearing whatsoever on the interview process.

More importantly, do you state in your job description that part of the requirements are to waste their time with pointless arse kissing messages?
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Old 25.08.2020, 11:49
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Nope, not a thing in Switzerland - you would be seen as too desperate.



As others have said, the potential employee has used their valuable time and effort to apply and come to an interview. You are the one who is looking for staff to serve your company. You are the one who should follow up, quite efficiently with a 'yes or no' reply.


I'm sitting right now on a job offer where the potential employer has advertised several times over the past couple of months, but took weeks (6) to reply to my email enquiring about the job.



If their front office is that disorganised, I would not want to work for their back office...
I agree if you are correct and they are disorganized. You may have just been a bit further down on their list of desired candidates, takes time to get through when you are waiting on them slowly flake out.

If curtesy is expected then why not do it. If not, then why bother - but one gets a good feeling during the rounds of interviews, really.
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Re: Cultural or unprofessional?

Dear me! As to the post's title "Cultural or unprofessional?", yes, it's unprofessional on your side to have such expectations.

Did you get any formal training when you became a manager, for instance, as hiring manager or cultural awareness?
How do you conduct the performance reviews with your team? Do you give higher ratings to team members who are more polite and perhaps send you a "thank you" note after the year-end review meeting?

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Old 25.08.2020, 21:32
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Re: Cultural or unprofessional?

Speaking of interviews, recently I have been sowing out my CV and Intro like grass seeds.
Mostly I donīt get any reply, a few have sent the usual "Thank you for your interest, however..." blah, blah, blah.
But there has been two bites, actually three, that was the one where I was invited to an interview, but we had different expectations on the job role, I am looking for a professional tech job, they were looking for an entry level sales guy, something I am totally not.
She, the boss lady, 20-odd, blonde, blue eyes, grade "A" rack and legs right down to the floor, but above all she had.....?

Ummm!

Nah! I got nothing!

The uncle, the screwdriver guy, he shy and unable to look at me face to face.
They never got back to me.

The other one, a really good bite, has been dragging their arse for weeks and weeks now, every now and then I get a mail that things are still chugging on but due to corvid. yadda, yadda, yadda.
I would like this job but by now amma not holding my breath.
The third one is with a company that I have had dealings with for the last 25 years. Sent CV and intro out and in April and forgot about it. Yesterday I got a mail asking a few questions.
The mail was signed "Xuan" as a given name (methinks) and after a bit of googling I find that "Xuan" has a 67% chance of being a male name, so I answered with a "dear Mr. *family name*
Will my CV be composted if I use the wrong gender in an answer mail?
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Old 25.08.2020, 21:51
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The third one is with a company that I have had dealings with for the last 25 years. Sent CV and intro out and in April and forgot about it. Yesterday I got a mail asking a few questions.
The mail was signed "Xuan" as a given name (methinks) and after a bit of googling I find that "Xuan" has a 67% chance of being a male name, so I answered with a "dear Mr. *family name*
Will my CV be composted if I use the wrong gender in an answer mail?
Umm, my wife's daughter's name is Xuan, as is Xuan's aunt and one of her cousins.

At least in Vietnamese, it is a FEMALE name (means "spring").

Just saying.

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Old 25.08.2020, 21:58
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Umm, my wife's daughter's name is Xuan, as is Xuan's aunt and one of her cousins.

At least in Vietnamese, it is a FEMALE name (means "spring").

Just saying.

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She/He was called "Thai" as a middle name.
Ah well, the dice is cast, letīs hope she has a sense of humor.

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Old 25.08.2020, 22:09
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Will my CV be composted if I use the wrong gender in an answer mail?
I gets thrown into the shredder, then burned, the ashes watered into pulped, composted, spread into the meadows where it is turned into grass, eaten by cows, to be shat out as stinking manure just because you actually dared to assume any gender at all.
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Old 25.08.2020, 22:16
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I gets thrown into the shredder, then burned, the ashes watered into pulped, composted, spread into the meadows where it is turned into grass, eaten by cows, to be shat out as stinking manure just because you actually dared to assume any gender at all.
Hey, Iīm a refugee from the sixties, as a force of habit I actually hold doors open for females and walk on the road-side.
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Re: Cultural or unprofessional?

Good candidates are profesional and have good apreciation of them self...they will not make first step ever...this acknowledgement letter asking is just an arrogance thing from HR or CEO just to proove how much power they have in them position...I never give a f..k about this...I never pursue, I always been pursued...we are those(managers) who are make things moving...if someone is not in capability to apreciate us is something wrong wit that person...
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Not to defend the OP in any way, but it is common to send a thank-you note after job interviews in the US. Although I noticed he or she writes in British English, I do not know if it is done in the UK...
Yup.

I can't think of an interview that i didn't follow up with a thank you note which was really a way to qualify some response that I felt I did not nail 100%.

its a cultural thing.
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as a force of habit I actually hold doors open for females.
Just females? I hold doors open for males too, because it's polite to do it for a person of any gender who is following behind you.

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Good candidates are profesional and have good apreciation of them self...they will not make first step ever...this acknowledgement letter asking is just an arrogance thing from HR or CEO just to proove how much power they have in them position...I never give a f..k about this...I never pursue, I always been pursued...we are those(managers) who are make things moving...if someone is not in capability to apreciate us is something wrong wit that person...
I tried to google translate that into English. The translation failed.
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Re: Cultural or unprofessional?

I do think it is ok to reject candidates who don't follow the norms during the interview process, but I don't agree with you that not sending a thank you note reaches this level.

When you know so little about someone, each piece of information is highly relevant.

For example, I would understand if you rejected a candidate who...
- hadn't informed him or herself about the position or the organization that they are applying for.
- had poor hygiene (if you can't clean yourself up for a job interview, what else won't you do).
- had extremely poorly written application materials

However, I think writing a thank you note falls more into the catagory of 'a little bit extra that you can do' and not 'must have.'

It seems like you are doing your organization a poor service by excluding these applicants from the process. If you want to read more about both sides of the interview process, I highly recommend Alison Green's excellent askamanager blog. Here is what she writes about thank you notes.

Good luck with your recruiting.
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Am I being demanding or is this a cultural thing?
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However, I think writing a thank you note falls more into the catagory of 'a little bit extra that you can do' and not 'must have.'

It seems like you are doing your organization a poor service by excluding these applicants from the process. If you want to read more about both sides of the interview process, I highly recommend Alison Green's excellent askamanager blog. Here is what she writes about thank you notes.

Good luck with your recruiting.
Thank you for these links. Prior to this thread, I had never heard of "thank you notes" to an interview.

By the end of an interview I have already assessed the candidate and
  • decided to hire and say so right away, or
  • decided not to hire and say so right away, or
  • clearly specifed what the next steps will be, on my side (e.g, will be interviewing other candidates, need to take the time to consider some new aspect the candidate mentioned, am also considering candidates for another postition which will influence this one, etc.) and
  • I tell the candidate I will contact them within n days, and then I keep my word.

I don't expect to hear from them at all until I contact them, except if I have asked them to send me some information or a document, or if they notice that they've inadvertently omitted something centrally relevant. After all, I'm busy, and I assume they are, too.

In your second link, the author gives an example of the kind of "thank you note" (although she re-names them "follow-up notes", which certainly seems better, if anything) that would be useful to the candidate, and that she would gladly receive. Now that I found socio-anthropologically fascinating, as her example illustrates the cultural gap very clearly.

In the contexts in which I have been hired or been doing the hiring, and in the contexts of others I know who apply or hire, here in the German-speaking part of Switzerland, I doubt very much that a note such as that example would have helped the candidate.

It would have been very used to the employer, though. I found it a highly distasteful mix: obsequious, tacky, flashy and bragging. It made me reflexively wince and turn my head away from my screen, and my toes curl. As such, were an applicant to send such a letter to me, post-interview, in Switzerland, I would be grateful because it would probably be decisive: this would be the one person I'd not want to let anywhere near the work and the people we deal with and from whom, if I possibly could, I'd want to protect the others in the team.
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Fornication!
She/He was called "Thai" as a middle name.
Ah well, the dice is cast, letīs hope she has a sense of humor.
I've been stuck with this in the past and resorted to the clunky "Dear FIRSTNAME LASTNAME". It's nasty but at least you manage to avoid insulting/enraging a person.
If I was ever addressed with the wrong one as a manager I'd have a giggle and introduce myself as such to the candidate in the future to see how they react.
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Fornication!
She/He was called "Thai" as a middle name.
Ah well, the dice is cast, letīs hope she has a sense of humor.
Just spoke with the guy and waddya know, heīs a he.
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Just spoke with the guy and waddya know, heīs a he.
It is a sign!

Fingers crossed..
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Re: Cultural or unprofessional?

With my Swiss employer hat on, forgot to say that we have had candidates here send a thank you/follow up note. On several occasions



They were proper Swiss too... although the job was in English.


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Just spoke with the guy and waddya know, heīs a he.
Why does he have a girl's name?

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