Hello, looking to get some thoughts on what a feasible pay raise might be when accepting a promotion?

In this case I would be moving from a IT specialist role to taking over the manger role as head of a team which consists of 5 people.
The team is responsible for a critical area of the business so it comes with quite a lot of responsibility.

I'm not sure as to what the swiss consider a adequate compensation raise for this type of promotions but from previous jobs (not in Switzerland) I know managers typically have around 25% higher compensation than the team specialists.
I also know that consulting jobs here in CH for similar specialist positions pay roughly 10% more than my current salary (including bonus, pension etc).

Would like to be somewhat prepared on what I can expect to have a better standpoint when discussing further.
Any expecience or feedback on the matter is highly appreciated!

Thanks!

Hahaha dream on!!

10% and you'll be lucky if you get that, a manager is no more important than a specialist who gets the job done. The world is full of managers, most of them truly incompetent. IT is the paradise of bad management.

I've worked for several managers (roughly in IT) and I know I was being paid more than them...

Techies are more important. The same salary or a little bit more, but certainly not 25%.

I would still keep all of my current duties in addition to new management tasks and added responsibility..
Can't really see the motivation for accepting added stress and workload without monetary incentment.
Maybe the swiss value the glory of having a nice title too much, I don't..

I think they do like titles, OH is in software development in a bank and his title is Associate Director which means nothing, but it's to do with where he is on the salary scale.

It was the same with Japanese and American companies when I worked in the City, even the PAs had ridiculous titles.

No way, it's not said you're gonna get a pay rise at all, even because your team is very small.
Furthermore, if you're gonna still have SW dev duties along with people management ones, it looks like more a dev lead role.
How much budget are you gonna manage? Are you gonna do performance reviews?
Contrarily to what you guessed, unless you're not in the old-style banking world, it's very likely your wage will be aligned or a bit lower to the one of the top individual contributors of your team. This is very common, specially in modern IT setups.

Do not expect much unless you are changing your band. It might well be <5%.

...usually in IT, specialist earning more than managers by 10% or more...real IT specialist will never be an manager...as an IT manager is a 'lot of bla-bla'...specialist is do the thing...if you at the position as leading specialist...then you deserve 25% increase...

Thanks for the feedback so far, not too encouraging but still helpful =)

In case I was a bit unclear, I would be stepping up within the same team I am currently working in - to become lead/head of that same team. Since the team is not so big I would still keep doing most of my current specialist tasks in additon to the new; responsibe for the areas that the team manages, line manager, performance reviews etc.

Agreeing on a compensation level im happy with will anyway be cheaper than going for an external hire so I remain hopeful. If not all monetary I will try to push for more vacation days etc...

I was in a similar situation many years back. I was a senior techie in a project team of 8 where the PM wanted to take a step back for family reasons and I offered to pick up as I wanted some experience of management. I also had to take continue taking care of quite a few of the technical tasks I had done to date.

In the end it was quite stressful. The business-side PM was a bit of a <automoderated> and I was actually quite good at the job in the end, but I found I don’t like politics and after a year I decided to go back to being 100% techie.

I didn’t get paid more at the time, but I got a couple of decent pay rises in subsequent performance reviews, and got a better insight into the trials and tribulations of what the PMs have to put up with.

If the role interests you, maybe go for it for picking up the experience - and as for money, if you don’t ask you won’t get, and set a time limit for when to change roles if you decide it is not your particular bag.

Cheers,
Nick

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A Dev Lead is not a tech role, it's just a different job than a programmer. I am one so I know what I am talking about, I did the switch a few years ago and the money is really no different than a senior DEV. 5-10% more if you are lucky. I now spend less than 10% of my time coding, 30% reviewing code and 60% managing the project and team. Basically I am the bulldozer that removes obstacles from their way so they can code.

It is indeed a lot more stress and responsibilities for very little money but this path has a sustainable career path for the next 20 years. You can't code forever, soon enough the young kids come in with all their fancy new languages and you with 2 kids and a mortgage just can't keep up and probably don't care to. Your experience in managing them is a lot more productive than any code you would have written if you are good at what you do.

And it makes it easier to follow the management path later: Director, ED, CTO/CIO of a startup etc. That's when you start making some money, closer to the 200k mark.

Soon enough anyone will be able to hire a remote developer in Romania and Bangalore for 40k a year and it'll be harder and harder to justify 130k dev salaries in CH. Won't happen soon but it will happen.

I was always told, you get either the title or the raise, but rarely both at the same time.
Also, the lowest management position ("dev lead", "project manager", etc) are the worst. You get to feel the whole weight from above, but you still have to deal with real life. Once you move up it gets more abstract.