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Old 01.09.2020, 11:48
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Re: Can employer change your job title?

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Old 01.09.2020, 12:19
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Last time I asked for an official reference, my then boss said, I don't have time. Write it yourself. At least the paragraph that says what you did. I did exactly that. He made some tweaks here and there, and HR added their HR-ish stuff of course, but by and large my boss signed off what I had written.

A reference letter is about what you did, not what your contract said that you were supposed to do.
This, exactly.
OP, write the draft of a "Zwischenzeugnis" (interim reference) without delay.

By doing all the work of writing out all the formal parts (your full name, the date you joined the company, when you moved to this department, etc.), you save your manager time and effort, so you're more likely to get him/her to sign your .

Include your current title, if you like it, or leave it out, if you don't.
Absolutely describe the types of projects in which you worked, in some detail, and the level of your responsibility. Without boasting, mention your achievements for the company.

As your superior to add whatever he/sees fit, and to let you see that new version before it is signed.
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Old 01.09.2020, 12:32
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Of course they can change the title and even role if they have a valid and justified business reason... why wouldn't they be able to? Are they not allowed to re-organise and re-structure like many other companies do on a regular basis? Depending on the materiality of the change you may of course have to agree and sign a new contract and your other choice would be to not accept the change and resign.

This is incorrect. While one always has the choice to resign, the "other choice" in this context is to formally not accept the change and wait for something to happen such as being terminated after the required period of notice. Termination however isn't a given. This is assuming this is a material change to your contract.
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I don't think severance here would apply. But: If the change is "major" and requires you to accept a contract amendment, then your refusal to accept would require the employer to terminate you. Instead of you resigning. This might be important for the purposes of RAV.

I suspect "severance" was legitimately used in it's form meaning "to sever" i.e. the company terminates the contract without the worker having to resign, rather than the American-English term meaning to get a payout package when one is terminated. This is not so often used in English-English.
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Re: Can employer change your job title?

Thanks Landers... that is what I meant
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This is incorrect. While one always has the choice to resign, the "other choice" in this context is to formally not accept the change and wait for something to happen such as being terminated after the required period of notice. Termination however isn't a given. This is assuming this is a material change to your contract.
A job title change, if the role stayed the same, would not be material... and from Susie's subsequent posts it seems like that's all it is and that her only concern is her perceived impacted ability to find a future job if she uses the specific title on her CV.

Considering she has previously posted about how hard it is to find and keep a job, and the troubles of the past, I find this behaviour over something so trivial, in the current climate, counter-productive.

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...ibilities.html

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...-contract.html
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A job title change, if the role stayed the same, would not be material... and from Susie's subsequent posts it seems like that's all it is and that her only concern is her perceived impacted ability to find a future job if she uses the specific title on her CV.

Considering she has previously posted about how hard it is to find and keep a job, and the troubles of the past, I find this behaviour over something so trivial, in the current climate, counter-productive.

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...ibilities.html

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...-contract.html
Looks like there is a pattern...
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Wow, this has to be a new low even from you Chuff ...

Something tells me with your recent posts that you are projecting...you regularly & callously attack people who are looking for help in their career. Are you struggling too? It's OK to struggle and ask for help, it is not OK to be a scourging insufferable bully, it won't get you anywhere.
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Wow, this has to be a new low even from you Chuff ...

Something tells me with your recent posts that you are projecting...you regularly & callously attack people who are looking for help in their career. Are you struggling too? It's OK to struggle and ask for help, it is not OK to be a scourging insufferable bully, it won't get you anywhere.
You got me. Because I just pointed out that I think quitting a job over a job title situation is trivial and counter-productive and cited two relevant examples from your previous threads, I am obviously struggling in my career and have now decided to take it out on EF. Sigh.
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A job title change, if the role stayed the same, would not be material...

Only if the title still closely represented that role. No-one has to accept a contract change but of course it's not necessarily a good idea to reject them.
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