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saiya-jin 01.09.2020 12:10

Working from home - 150CHF compensation?
 
Hi,
I've been WFH 100% since mid march. I saw previously some judge ruling that folks on WFH should receive 150chf compensation. Is this settled and valid or still open point?
Employer doesn't give anything on payslips, haven't checked with HR yet.
Thank you in advance

Opst 01.09.2020 12:13

Re: Working from home - 150CHF compensation?
 
IIRC, this was only if you have no option to work on site and if you are forced by your employer to work from Home.

wrongster 01.09.2020 12:15

Re: Working from home - 150CHF compensation?
 
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Originally Posted by saiya-jin (Post 3212881)
Hi,
I've been WFH 100% since mid march. I saw previously some judge ruling that folks on WFH should receive 150chf compensation. Is this settled and valid or still open point?
Employer doesn't give anything on payslips, haven't checked with HR yet.
Thank you in advance

Usually, WFH is per se a benefit. Unless you are being forced to do so, why would you want to be paid extra?

bonaire 01.09.2020 12:29

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Originally Posted by wrongster (Post 3212885)
Usually, WFH is per se a benefit. Unless you are being forced to do so, why would you want to be paid extra?

In my past, the company was willing to pay internet and % of energy. I have not asked my last couple of companies to do it.

Maybe there is a need to increase internet speed to deal with streaming meetings and VPNs. So maybe it is fair to ask for % of internet and % of energy bill. .

In some situations, you may need a different house with more space or a dedicated office (without the rugrats running all around you). So WFH isn't a benefit for all.

wrongster 01.09.2020 12:45

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Originally Posted by bonaire (Post 3212894)
In my past, the company was willing to pay internet and % of energy. I have not asked my last couple of companies to do it.

Maybe there is a need to increase internet speed to deal with streaming meetings and VPNs. So maybe it is fair to ask for % of internet and % of energy bill. .

In some situations, you may need a different house with more space or a dedicated office (without the rugrats running all around you). So WFH isn't a benefit for all.

Yes and no. Your company has a working location (which is usually defined in your contract), unless they themselves tell you to work elsewhere, WFH is a benefit. If the conditions where you live don't allow for this and you are able to freely choose where you want to work then the company has no legal requirement to pay extra.

curley 01.09.2020 12:52

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A very long time ago I did WFH (I covered the German part for a company in the French part). I had Fr. 350.00, a separate phone line and the company car for private use.
I didn't realize back then how good this deal seems to have been. :D

bonaire 01.09.2020 12:54

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Originally Posted by wrongster (Post 3212907)
Yes and no. Your company has a working location (which is usually defined in your contract), unless they themselves tell you to work elsewhere, WFH is a benefit. If the conditions where you live don't allow for this and you are able to freely choose where you want to work then the company has no legal requirement to pay extra.

I wasn't talking about what is legal or not. Just my opinions on the situation and the working relationships I have had with previous employers. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

nejc 01.09.2020 13:05

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Originally Posted by wrongster (Post 3212885)
Usually, WFH is per se a benefit. Unless you are being forced to do so, why would you want to be paid extra?

What a nonsense, for sure it is not benefit "per se".
It could be benefit for some people, and it could be a huge burden for others. Does everyone have: space, chair, table? It can get worse if suddenly everyone in household have to share small space.
For me personally working from home means lower quality of life. I often stay long into the night in the office, but I do never (except quarantine) take my work home.

Sean Connery 01.09.2020 13:19

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my employer has deemed it correct to offer me reimbursement within a limit for a screen, computer and chair.

I'm adding to that the fact that I don't waste time commuting, commuting is free and my work/life balance is much better.

Worth more than 150 francs, for sure.

curley 01.09.2020 14:26

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Originally Posted by Sean Connery (Post 3212922)
my employer has deemed it correct to offer me reimbursement within a limit for a screen, computer and chair.

I'm adding to that the fact that I don't waste time commuting, commuting is free and my work/life balance is much better.

Worth more than 150 francs, for sure.

Fully agree.
Times have changed a lot since the time I mentioned further up. Internet is flatrate now, so is phone. The increased use of electricity is seriously not worth mentioning. (Tested statement).
If someone does not already have decent equipment (the things you mentioned) it should be supplied by the employer (they can even have it back in case of job change).
Not having to commute and not being stressed by disliked and/or moody workmates and tedious office-gossip is taking a lot of strain off daily life.
One has to (and will have the energy to) up the private life - which is great as you get to spend time with people you really want to spend it with.

John_H 01.09.2020 15:18

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There's a flip side to this, especially long term..

Sure I don't have the commute now but I actually quite enjoyed that. I liked to sometimes stop on the way home and have a beer, see people, interact etc.

Sure I have my own office at home, I had that already.. But it's my stuff, it's wear and tear on my desk and chair and 2000chf computer. I don't have a window in my home office, it was never intended for long term use.. People in the office without a window get a fancy light. Little things.

I don't have the option to return, I must stay home because I can. Sure I can leave.. Sure I can suck it up or sure I can focus on the positives.. But it's not really what most of us signed up for..

I don't think we should fall into the trap of thinking this home working is a privilege

Jim2007 01.09.2020 16:10

Re: Working from home - 150CHF compensation?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saiya-jin (Post 3212881)
Hi,
I've been WFH 100% since mid march. I saw previously some judge ruling that folks on WFH should receive 150chf compensation. Is this settled and valid or still open point?
Employer doesn't give anything on payslips, haven't checked with HR yet.
Thank you in advance

No idea, but my daughter started her apprenticeship at the start of August and her pay cheque including an extra 150chf as compensation for working from home.

wrongster 02.09.2020 09:08

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Originally Posted by nejc (Post 3212919)
What a nonsense, for sure it is not benefit "per se".
It could be benefit for some people, and it could be a huge burden for others. Does everyone have: space, chair, table? It can get worse if suddenly everyone in household have to share small space.
For me personally working from home means lower quality of life. I often stay long into the night in the office, but I do never (except quarantine) take my work home.

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Originally Posted by John_H (Post 3212961)
There's a flip side to this, especially long term..

Sure I don't have the commute now but I actually quite enjoyed that. I liked to sometimes stop on the way home and have a beer, see people, interact etc.

Sure I have my own office at home, I had that already.. But it's my stuff, it's wear and tear on my desk and chair and 2000chf computer. I don't have a window in my home office, it was never intended for long term use.. People in the office without a window get a fancy light. Little things.

I don't have the option to return, I must stay home because I can. Sure I can leave.. Sure I can suck it up or sure I can focus on the positives.. But it's not really what most of us signed up for..

I don't think we should fall into the trap of thinking this home working is a privilege


You both fail to see the big picture. One thing is being ordered and/or adviced by the state and company to work from home due to a global pandemic that could potentially kill you, and another very different is being able to freely choose where you want to work from any given day. The latter describes what I consider a benefit and applies to pre-COVID times.

Exceptional circumstances require exceptional measures. The crisis is hitting all sectors pretty hard and not all companies are able to pay those extra Kw/h you are using at home to power up a monitor and a laptop. Hell, some companies are struggling to keep people employed. But sure, let your company fire the lower skilled 10% of employees to compensate the effort you make by working from home and stop the virus from spreading.

Me, myself and I right?

Jim2007 02.09.2020 09:23

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Originally Posted by wrongster (Post 3213132)
But sure, let your company fire the lower skilled 10% of employees to compensate the effort you make by working from home and stop the virus from spreading.

Me, myself and I right?

So the company has now attained charitable status, it no longer seek to make a profit and would never dream of cutting the workforce even if it did result in cost savings and higher profits.

Seems like the ‘company man’ still exists in some quarters then...

doropfiz 02.09.2020 09:35

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If an employee is ordered to work from home, but home involves a lot of other people, especially children, and/or someone very ill living at home, and/or a lot of noise and/or no space, then the employee is in a difficult position: not allowed to come into the office, but no suitable working space at home.

A friend WFH in his quiet home. He has a colleague who, having a small home with a complex social set-up, such that it was impossible to get any work done there, actually had to go out and rent a desk in a co-working office, just to work at all. That certainly cost him more than Fr. 150.

Next, their employer announced that they will most likely close down most of the office space and require most people to WFH most of the time. That's a clever cost-saving step by the employer, rolling the cost of the office space over onto the employee. The employer will not be paying compensation of any kind. That man is now stuck: he is out of pocket because he has to pay for his own working environment.

wrongster 02.09.2020 09:36

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Originally Posted by Jim2007 (Post 3213139)
So the company has now attained charitable status, it no longer seek to make a profit and would never dream of cutting the workforce even if it did result in cost savings and higher profits.

Seems like the ‘company man’ still exists in some quarters then...

Sure, you can misconstrue what I wrote. Not a problem.

Cutting the workforce to pay for your electricity bill, rent and home office equipment will not make the company more profitable. It will only help it's egocentric employees complain a little less.

wrongster 02.09.2020 09:44

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Originally Posted by doropfiz (Post 3213145)
If an employee is ordered to work from home, but home involves a lot of other people, especially children, and/or someone very ill living at home, and/or a lot of noise and/or no space, then the employee is in a difficult position: not allowed to come into the office, but no suitable working space at home.

A friend WFH in his quiet home. He has a colleague who, having a small home with a complex social set-up, such that it was impossible to get any work done there, actually had to go out and rent a desk in a co-working office, just to work at all. That certainly cost him more than Fr. 150.

Next, their employer announced that they will most likely close down most of the office space and require most people to WFH most of the time. That's a clever cost-saving step by the employer, rolling the cost of the office space over onto the employee. The employer will not be paying compensation of any kind. That man is now stuck: he is out of pocket because he has to pay for his own working environment.


This is a completely different area. The company changed his work location to "remote only" and this person has no alternative.

John_H 02.09.2020 10:19

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Originally Posted by wrongster (Post 3213151)
This is a completely different area. The company changed his work location to "remote only" and this person has no alternative.

This is the position for many of though..

My place is only taking 30% of people back, priority to those who live over the border and can't fully work from home for legal reasons..

So effectively I'm remote only, I can't just choose to go back. This is the case until at leat end of year and if things get worse again, who knows.

doropfiz 02.09.2020 10:49

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Originally Posted by John_H (Post 3213166)
This is the position for many of though..

My place is only taking 30% of people back, priority to those who live over the border and can't fully work from home for legal reasons..

So effectively I'm remote only, I can't just choose to go back. This is the case until at leat end of year and if things get worse again, who knows.

Exactly. If you can't choose to go back, then you're forced to WFH. Then, if your home circumstances make it impossible to work there (too small, too many other people or animals needing to share the same space, possibly the same desk/table, too many of them doing noisy or otherwise distruptive things while you're trying to work, building environment too noisy, etc.) you end up paying for office space elsewhere, either by moving to a larger home (higher rent) or by renting a desk somewhere, at your expense.

Alternatively, some such office-less employees do manage to escape to the library or a café.

Sean Connery 02.09.2020 11:01

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I can see and do sympathise with those who are not used to WFH and don't have an environment suited to supporting this. Where the employer is considering forcing the situation to be long term, they definitely should compensate the employee (after all, office space has certain fixed costs that are pretty high and the employer is saving with WFH).

Additionally, certain equipment should be supported or compensated; I used my own computer and have a desk, screen and chair - this is where the compensation from my employer, hopefully on a regular basis, allows me to have nice kit.

It's not for everyone and will have casualties. 150 will not resolve the issue for a good proportion of people and never everybody.


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