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Old 04.09.2020, 09:42
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Generally, companies scrable to be compliant before a law or regulation comes into effect.

You can't tell me that companies don't know their own staffs' salaries, and can't compare these. Especially companies wil salary bands per grade, it becomes trivial to compare male:female salaries in a specific grade.

Let's not go into discrimination in senior roles...
I have no idea what point you are trying to make!

The law has come into effect and until we see what happens after the first reporting period is concluded we will not be in a position to draw any valid conclusions as to its impact or not.

Now you are welcome to speculate all you wish in the meantime, but I will wait and see.
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Of course it is not unimportant, you do know that that issue is being addressed by the new procedure according to the Gender Equality Act - an independently audited review for firms with more than 100 employees.... [here]
Yes, I was aware of this. But it won't change much unless salary bands/ranges are made publicly available. Just have a look at Austria, lots of programs, audits etc and they still have the highest gender pay gap in the EU.


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Really and given that the law only came into force at the beginning of July and the first reports are not due yet, what did you expect would happen?????
You can always analyze the results from countries with a similar cultural, sociological, and economical background that have already applied similar countermeasures and see how effective they have been.
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Salary threads in this forum usually fall into two categories:

1.- Can I SURVIVE with 500k in {{enter_location}}
2.- Do you think that 75k is enough for a family of {{enter_number_of_people}}?

Answers fall into three categories:

1.- {{enter_imaginary_salary}}K is the bare minimum.
2.- {{enter_number_of_years_ago}} years ago, I used to make {{enter_imaginary_salary}}K for smiling at dogs.
3.- It depends on {{enter_blah_blah_blah_argument}}


What about we create an up to date database of (real world)salaries in different sectors. That way people wouldn't have to ask this question so often and avoid reading out of date posts.

I suggest this format:

Family of {{X}} in {{ch_location}, working in {{define_sector}} as {{define_title}} with a household income of {{xyz}}K/year.
Average monthly expenses of {{xyz}}CHF/month. And with 4 pre-defined lifestyle selectors:

Lifestyle A: Check my Bank account once per year. Don't really care
Lifestyle B: As long as I don't eat Kobe beef every night, I don't really check my expenses.
Lifestyle C: I check my account once every two weeks to make sure we are within budget.
Lifestyle D: That Serafe "Rechnung" will have to wait. Eating is my priority.

You may now groan
I agree with you and this is a great suggestion. Could make this post into a sticker in the employment section. It would give actual help to newcomers and save groaners the groaning.
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Yes, I was aware of this. But it won't change much unless salary bands/ranges are made publicly available. Just have a look at Austria, lots of programs, audits etc and they still have the highest gender pay gap in the EU.


You can always analyze the results from countries with a similar cultural, sociological, and economical background that have already applied similar countermeasures and see how effective they have been.
A guy in this thread mentioned a great web page, that does what this thread would intend to do.
https://zeigdeinenlohn.ch/

If you check around there, you find plenty of high earning women, and also men earning low salaries.

The pay gap between woman and men here and in other western countries has several different causes.
* How disagreeable you are as a person is also a benefit to your personal salary progression, since you get the salary you negotiate for.
Studies has shown that the largest personality difference between men and women generally speaking is aggreeableness. This means that women, on average, are more nurturing, tender-minded to a greater extent than men.
* Women are more tender-minded and more nurturing generally speaking, and tend to choose jobs that ha to do with nurturing and caring, and those jobs normally don't pay as much as logically based jobs within IT/Engineering.
* Women chooses to stay home more with the children, then the fathers do. In Switzerland the regulations are in the favour of women staying home more with the children than men. But in other countries where they have incorporated regulations to allow men to stay home more with their children, and also has longer leaves, this has still effected the woman negatively. Lengthy parental leave unintentionally pushes women to lose momentum in developing human capital and workplace seniority and to put more energy into domestic life. On the other hand the lenghty leave is positive for the childs upbringing.
* Studies have found that women dramatically decrease their work hours after they become mothers in many advanced economies, including New Zealand, Denmark, and the U.S., even while fathers continue working and earning as they were before the arrival of children. The impact is especially powerful for women with high incomes before parenthood

Different jobs has different market values. Different branches has different market values. Different job experiences has different market values. How you netotiate your salary has a large impact as well.
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Senior Staff Software Engineers at Google Zurich getting 600'000 bis 850'000


Wow!




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Senior Staff Software Engineers at Google Zurich getting 600'000 bis 850'000


Wow!




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https://www.inside-it.ch/de/post/wie...ogler-20200909
Google is known to pay astronomical salaries to top-notch SW Engs. If you survive their hiring process and are happy with living at the campus, why not?
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Google is known to pay astronomical salaries to top-notch SW Engs. If you survive their hiring process and are happy with living at the campus, why not?

top-notch SW Engs? those who developed Angular? seriously?
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Senior Staff Software Engineers at Google Zurich getting 600'000 bis 850'000


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Well if they are, then the auditors need to take a very close look at the accounts, because the figures suggest otherwise.....
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top-notch SW Engs? those who developed Angular? seriously?
c'mon... it is not that bad...
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c'mon... it is not that bad...

Google > Angular sucks


==> About 1410000 results


q.e.d.
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Google > Angular sucks


==> About 1410000 results


q.e.d.

Google > Python Sucks

==> About 9'130'000 results

q.e.d

don't judge a book by its cover.
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