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Needed? I believe it’s the following (anybody who disagrees please correct me)

Be in Switzerland for starters, that is mandatory
Be actively looking for a job to end unemployment
Be ready to accept a temporary job if they want you to take one which would contribute to lowering the stipend they would pay you (a temporary employer pays you and the RAV pays the difference to you).
Be advised that you’re not obliged to accept a permanent job if it pays far less than your current salary, but know that there is a certain % lower they can require you to accept.
Do not expect training immediately. Usually training is offered when they see you are struggliing

Nobody feels good when they have to get RAV
It’s not a walk in the park.
If the choice is get 70% salary (which means 20% post tax pay cut) and do my own thing it is a no brainer and I would do rav for as long as I can

After 18 months ?? Who knows. Go to Uk or somewhere else. I think finance is frankly dead and after 20 years in the industry a paid sabbatical for 70% would be a dream.

I am sure many think the same but are too frightened to explicitly admit it
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Old 20.09.2020, 19:06
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If the choice is get 70% salary (which means 20% post tax pay cut) and do my own thing it is a no brainer and I would do rav for as long as I can

After 18 months ?? Who knows. Go to Uk or somewhere else. I think finance is frankly dead and after 20 years in the industry a paid sabbatical for 70% would be a dream.

I am sure many think the same but are too frightened to explicitly admit it
I suspect the RAV will work you out, get you a crap job in another field & then top up your salary.
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I suspect the RAV will work you out, get you a crap job in another field & then top up your salary.
Have you ever worked with someone who does not want to be there??

I have. It does not work. Even in McDonald’s you can be dead slow and a pain. I don’t buy this ideology that they will force me into hard labour.

Sure I can turn up at 9 and leave at 5 but if I take three times as long because I am “slow” what can they do other than also fire me
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Have you ever worked with someone who does not want to be there??

I have. It does not work. Even in McDonald’s you can be dead slow and a pain. I don’t buy this ideology that they will force me into hard labour.

Sure I can turn up at 9 and leave at 5 but if I take three times as long because I am “slow” what can they do other than also fire me
Sure, and then they can penalize you and not pay you. Not that funny anymore then.
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Have you ever worked with someone who does not want to be there??

I have. It does not work. Even in McDonald’s you can be dead slow and a pain. I don’t buy this ideology that they will force me into hard labour.

Sure I can turn up at 9 and leave at 5 but if I take three times as long because I am “slow” what can they do other than also fire me
Sure, they can sanction you for 90 days if they want, you think they are stupid & never had someone who took the piss before.
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Re: What To expect From The RAV

What people seem to forget is that the RAV is your employer, your relationship is that of an employee and you have to treat your RAV boss with the same respect you would treat the boss in the company you have just left.
And if the RAV sends you to flip burgers at McD´s then that is your assignment.
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What people seem to forget is that the RAV is your employer, your relationship is that of an employee and you have to treat your RAV boss with the same respect you would treat the boss in the company you have just left.
And if the RAV sends you to flip burgers at McD´s then that is your assignment.
So the conclusion is

1) stay in the role as long as possible
2) once fired run to the doctor and try and get on sick for as long as possible
3) sweet talk the rav man by buying chocolates and presenting a hard working ethic when deep down you have no desire
4) run to the doctor for a sick not when rav turns up the heat
5) when the oven is full on with the rav call it a day and leave back to the Uk

Can you blame anyone who wants an easy life to try and understand the rules of the game. No one wants to work. Humans are inherently lazy

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Sure, they can sanction you for 90 days if they want, you think they are stupid & never had someone who took the piss before.
I’d like to hear first hand examples of how they can do this. Managing a motivated person with a year end bonus is hard enough. Man again someone who is dumped on you is not easy

Of course they can send you to McDonald’s but as I have already said if you take three times as long to empty the trash can how long will you survive there

Normally people want to do a good job. When it comes to rav there is a perverse incentive to not get a job which sounds dead easy

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So the conclusion is

1) stay in the role as long as possible
2) once fired run to the doctor and try and get on sick for as long as possible
3) sweet talk the rav man by buying chocolates and presenting a hard working ethic when deep down you have no desire
4) run to the doctor for a sick not when rav turns up the heat
5) when the oven is full on with the rav call it a day and leave back to the Uk

Can you blame anyone who wants an easy life to try and understand the rules of the game. No one wants to work. Humans are inherently lazy
Careful about sick notes, if your sick you are not entitled to RAV. You can be ill but only for short periods, it's not like sick pay from work.
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Re: What To expect From The RAV

OP, you have clearly indicated a desire to abuse the system.

Speaking with you is a waste of time.
You’ll find out soon enough how efficiently this country works.

I find your words arrogant, and even more so in these uncertain times where there are people with families who must desperately rely on RAV for survival.
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If the choice is get 70% salary (which means 20% post tax pay cut) and do my own thing it is a no brainer and I would do rav for as long as I can
After 18 months ?? Who knows. Go to Uk or somewhere else.
Not that I advocate it, but a colleague did exactly this after getting the bullet. Took long holidays abroad etc. Just regular meetings, never got called in.

He was an IT 'specialist' where the jobs are thin on the ground, the RAV advisor basically said 'Good luck with that then'.
Even got German lessons.
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LondonPM: It's people like you I'd like to keep out of this country.
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OP, you have clearly indicated a desire to abuse the system.

Speaking with you is a waste of time.
You’ll find out soon enough how efficiently this country works.

I find your words arrogant, and even more so in these uncertain times where there are people with families who must desperately rely on RAV for survival.
No i have indicated a desire to maximise my entitlement to this insurance benefit - I am sure plenty of people want to understand what their entitlement is to plan their future

These are uncertain times and going from a 180 + bonus + pillar 2 pension to 100K (70% of 150) is already a punishment
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No i have indicated a desire to maximise my entitlement to this insurance benefit - I am sure plenty of people want to understand what their entitlement is to plan their future

These are uncertain times and going from a 180 + bonus + pillar 2 pension to 100K (70% of 150) is already a punishment

Is not the highest pay out Sf.7500 ?
70% of salary has a limit I thought?
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These are uncertain times and going from a 180 + bonus + pillar 2 pension to 100K (70% of 150) is already a punishment
Well, if going from 180k to 100k is a punishment, I would propose you to go from 180k to 0k, to understand the meaning of "well deserved".

Anyhow, how much is your rent? if you know you will be out of work, you can downsize and easily reduce your expenses of up to 10k per year ... then you are going from 180k to 110k only.

Your contributions to RAV help you enjoying your (above the average&median salary) 180k in Switzerland, without living in a fortress like you would do if living in Brazil.

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Is not the highest pay out Sf.7500 ?
70% of salary has a limit I thought?
Der maximal versicherte Verdienst pro Monat beträgt CHF 12'350
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Not that I advocate it, but a colleague did exactly this after getting the bullet. Took long holidays abroad etc. Just regular meetings, never got called in.

He was an IT 'specialist' where the jobs are thin on the ground, the RAV advisor basically said 'Good luck with that then'.
Even got German lessons.
How long was he able to that for - I d be happy with 6 months of RAV before walking away

Just saying
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What people seem to forget is that the RAV is your employer, your relationship is that of an employee and you have to treat your RAV boss with the same respect you would treat the boss in the company you have just left.
And if the RAV sends you to flip burgers at McD´s then that is your assignment.
Agreed except the last part - if you have a masters in rocket science, the RAV shouldnt send you to McDonalds to destroy your career - but of course this is moot as they normally know this clearly.
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How long was he able to that for - I d be happy with 6 months of RAV before walking away

Just saying

18 months, give or take.
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Re: What To expect From The RAV

I would say based on all I have read and some experience that RAV is never what you expect... You need to build trust with your RAV advisor, when this is achieved then you can be a bit more flexible. (eg catch up calls every two months..)

There are no rules for how many jobs to apply a month, can be 6 or 10 or 12... but important that you showed you started looking as soon as you knew you were leaving. They also support you to search abroad if you are a foreigner in my experience. They also can pay you training courses if you need to reskill and other things like special "RAV" job portals and even might do some job searching for you and suggest things to apply for.

Finally is it not actually RAV that pay you the money, but some kind of work insurance network - however they will not pay you anything without a nod from RAV and a timely (correctly) completed form on your part posted back.

And yes, they pay alot compaired to any other lands if you follow all the rules. But it is still tough not working and you'll only start enjoying it really when you sign your new contract IMHO
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Careful about sick notes, if your sick you are not entitled to RAV. You can be ill but only for short periods, it's not like sick pay from work.
Many thanks - What is the correct way to plan for being sick on the RAV - Do they pay full Rav salary if you fall sick whilst being on the Rav and is your 18 months of unemployment extended if you are sick ?
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Many thanks - What is the correct way to plan for being sick on the RAV - Do they pay full Rav salary if you fall sick whilst being on the Rav and is your 18 months of unemployment extended if you are sick ?
The period is fairly short, I cant remember exactly but around 1-2 months over the 2 year Rahmenfrist which will not get extended.

No reason why you cant do short term consultancy even the odd half day. It's quite possible to to re qualify for a new rahemnfrist at the 'days worked' is actually money earned based on insured salary, your daily rate would likely be 2-4 times your RAV daily pay out.
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