Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Employment  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 18.10.2020, 12:28
newtoswitz's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Rapperswil
Posts: 3,739
Groaned at 75 Times in 70 Posts
Thanked 4,519 Times in 2,066 Posts
newtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Salary expectation in Zug while moving from Germany to Switzerland

Quote:
View Post
Child allowance? Never heard of that.

There is the government child allowance which is between 200 and 300 CHF per month depending on canton, but this has nothing to do with salary (although usually paid out with salary).
It's income, which is basically what the OP is asking about.

Ca. 5k per year for 2 kids isn't a small amount.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 18.10.2020, 12:29
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 8,288
Groaned at 294 Times in 223 Posts
Thanked 18,983 Times in 6,618 Posts
k_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Salary expectation in Zug while moving from Germany to Switzerland

Quote:
View Post
Child allowance? Never heard of that.

There is the government child allowance which is between 200 and 300 CHF per month depending on canton, but this has nothing to do with salary (although usually paid out with salary).

There are employers that pay an additional child allowance. In any case, important to get insight about all benefits (current and new employer) in order to compare.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 18.10.2020, 12:32
newtoswitz's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Rapperswil
Posts: 3,739
Groaned at 75 Times in 70 Posts
Thanked 4,519 Times in 2,066 Posts
newtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Salary expectation in Zug while moving from Germany to Switzerland

Quote:
View Post
And a final one from me - What should the OP expect as a bonus

Is 10 - 20% about the right sort of number?
Zero in the first year unless negotiated and almost no chance of that this late in the year. (e.g. common policy is pro-rata bonus if there for more than six months, and maybe you could negotiate to get it if you were there for more than three months).

All of these numbers have assumed working in financial services or similar, in which case 10-20% is a fair guess but it does vary a lot. Don't count on that as part of cost-of-living of course.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 18.10.2020, 12:46
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Zurich
Posts: 851
Groaned at 130 Times in 67 Posts
Thanked 924 Times in 441 Posts
DerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
View Post
Somewhat ironic given your experience:



Perhaps now we see why?
I have absolutely no clue what my tongue-in-cheek response to another thread has to do with this thread.

OP, I think you should aim for 140K upwards. 120-130 is what is on average offered to software developers (it might be less or more depending on the company). I do understand that a manager does not necessarily earn more than the developers he manages but the position brings a certain level of responsibility. 120K would surely be too low.

Last edited by roegner; 18.10.2020 at 15:54. Reason: Merging consecutive posts
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 18.10.2020, 15:14
Newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: Germany
Posts: 4
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
GermanyToSwitzerland has no particular reputation at present
Quote:
View Post
From what you have said 140chf should be the right sort of number
Thank you for your suggestion!! . I also have this figure of 140CHF in my mind!!

Quote:
View Post
120k ex Bonus sounds about Right.
Thank you for your suggestion!!

Quote:
View Post
Your opening post serves as example.

The expectation here (particularly to Germans) is that you need to be very polite (many Germans confuse this with being friendly) and diplomatic. A polite greeting, a few small talk points, a polite style of asking for things (although de facto it can be an order).

It is a good culture. I have friends from Germany who are always pleased how much less aggressive the tone here is and how much more respectful. When I am in Germany visiting family, I am sometimes shocked by the rudeness and aggression in very normal situations.
Hi komsomolez, Thank you for your reply and I hear your inputs. I will keep these in mind when I come and live in Switzerland if I get the offer!!. Wishing you a good day ahead!!

Quote:
View Post
nothing wrong with the post at all ....

As I said you are probably 35 years old and have ten years experience - In zurich 140K is the right sort of number

120 is definitely the low end
Thank you for your response!!. I am actually 38 with 14 years of experience. Have family with 8 year old son who is going to German school here!. Wife is not working. After following different threads, I am also having the impression of asking for 140K CHF.

Quote:
View Post
75k is a high salary in Germany (top 20% from the data that I can see online) so the question is do you want to come to Switzerland badly enough to take a pay cut. According to "numbeo" (a cost of living comparison website) you would need net earnings that are 77% higher in Zurich to maintain the same living standards in Frankfurt. So, if I take EUR 75k and convert that to CHF, that is CHF 80,371. If I increase that by 77% I get CHF 142k. So, I would be asking for a salary in the CHF 140-150k range.

Now just as an FYI. Swiss companies are desperate to cut wage costs and one way to do that is to hire European workers on below market salaries. A well informed local Swiss worker would probably do your job for CHF 150k but the company will likely try to low-ball you with a CHF 115-120k number to see if they can save money. Whether or not you take their offer will depend on how badly you want to come here.

Zug is beautiful so best of luck!
Thank you Brian for your reply with some more details!! Certainly I don't want a pay cut . I have been looking for a job change ( due to certain facts with my current employer) and got this opportunity from Switzerland. Well, I will keep in mind about the range CHF 140-150k !!

Quote:
View Post
I just hired someone from Germany with similar experience for a team lead role; 140-150k sounds about right - although someone resident here may get a bit more, I wouldn't offer that to someone moving from abroad because of the additional risk they won't fit in etc.
Thank you!!

Quote:
View Post
I have absolutely no clue what my tongue-in-cheek response to another thread has to do with this thread.

OP, I think you should aim for 140K upwards. 120-130 is what is on average offered to software developers (it might be less or more depending on the company). I do understand that a manager does not necessarily earn more than the developers he manages but the position brings a certain level of responsibility. 120K would surely be too low.
Thank you DerDieDas for the suggestion. I will hope of the best!!

Last edited by roegner; 18.10.2020 at 16:05. Reason: Merging consecutive posts
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank GermanyToSwitzerland for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Moving abroad and salary expectation kri Leaving Switzerland 46 08.11.2019 09:07
Salary Expectation in IT martinboss Employment 25 03.02.2019 13:48
Salary expectation mully Employment 40 10.01.2009 20:38
Salary expectation irishrich Employment 0 24.04.2008 13:33


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 15:59.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0