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Salary expectation in Zug while moving from Germany to Switzerland

Need some inputs on the salary expectation in Switzerland. I am currently in a discussion with the employer on the expected salary.

Location =Zug
Role = Manager
Industry = IT
Experience = 14 years

I am currently working/living in Germany and will be moving to Zug if I receive & accept the offer. What is the recommended increase in the Salary ( based on higher cost of living in Switzerland) when moving from Germany to Switzerland? any of your input will help me to discuss with HR.
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Need some inputs on the salary expectation in Switzerland. I am currently in a discussion with the employer on the expected salary.

Location =Zug
Role = Manager
Industry = IT
Experience = 14 years

I am currently working/living in Germany and will be moving to Zug if I receive & accept the offer. What is the recommended increase in the Salary ( based on higher cost of living in Switzerland) when moving from Germany to Switzerland? any of your input will help me to discuss with HR.
Unless you are a bit more specific on the role and share what salary you have now, have asked for, and what has been offered - expect few responses here. A hello and thank you would also be welcome.
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Re: Salary expectation in Zug while moving from Germany to Switzerland

It all depends where in Germany your moving from but something like 30-40% increase in salary.
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Re: Salary expectation in Zug while moving from Germany to Switzerland

Yes how much are you on in Germany and where in Germany. 40% would me top rates
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Unless you are a bit more specific on the role and share what salary you have now, have asked for, and what has been offered - expect few responses here. A hello and thank you would also be welcome.
Thank you for your response!!!

bit more specific on the role = Manage a software application ( SAP ERP tools. Lead the software development activities and manage the delivery of software releases. )

what salary you have now= 75K Euro, Location = Frankfurt

what has been offered= Not offered yet. Interviews are in process. HR asked me to be prepared with salary expectation to discuss in the final round!!

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It all depends where in Germany your moving from but something like 30-40% increase in salary.
Thank you for your response!!

My current location is Frankfurt. Okay, I will keep this in mind of 30-40% increase. HR asked me to be prepared with salary expectations!!

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Yes how much are you on in Germany and where in Germany. 40% would me top rates
Thank you for your response!!!


how much are you on in Germany= 75K Euro, where in Germany= Frankfurt

Interviews are in process. HR asked me to be prepared with salary expectation to discuss in the final round!!

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Re: Salary expectation in Zug while moving from Germany to Switzerland

From what you have said 140chf should be the right sort of number
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120k ex Bonus sounds about Right.
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Re: Salary expectation in Zug while moving from Germany to Switzerland

Can’t help on the salary number, but it seems others have plus/minus.

What I can say though is that your direct tone might work in Frankfurt, but in Switzerland will come across as rude. If you get the job, particularly if you work with Swiss colleagues, for your own longevity, it would help to tone it down a bit (a lot).
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Can’t help on the salary number, but it seems others have plus/minus.

What I can say though is that your direct tone might work in Frankfurt, but in Switzerland will come across as rude. If you get the job, particularly if you work with Swiss colleagues, for your own longevity, it would help to tone it down a bit (a lot).
Thank you for your comment!! This sounds interesting!!. Probably I did not understand fully. Is it possible for you to clarify with an example? May be I am not fully aware of these.
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Thank you for your comment!! This sounds interesting!!. Probably I did not understand fully. Is it possible for you to clarify with an example? May be I am not fully aware of these.
Your opening post serves as example.

The expectation here (particularly to Germans) is that you need to be very polite (many Germans confuse this with being friendly) and diplomatic. A polite greeting, a few small talk points, a polite style of asking for things (although de facto it can be an order).

It is a good culture. I have friends from Germany who are always pleased how much less aggressive the tone here is and how much more respectful. When I am in Germany visiting family, I am sometimes shocked by the rudeness and aggression in very normal situations.
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What I can say though is that your direct tone might work in Frankfurt, but in Switzerland will come across as rude. If you get the job, particularly if you work with Swiss colleagues, for your own longevity, it would help to tone it down a bit (a lot).
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Your opening post serves as example.

The expectation here (particularly to Germans) is that you need to be very polite (many Germans confuse this with being friendly) and diplomatic. A polite greeting, a few small talk points, a polite style of asking for things (although de facto it can be an order).

It is a good culture. I have friends from Germany who are always pleased how much less aggressive the tone here is and how much more respectful. When I am in Germany visiting family, I am sometimes shocked by the rudeness and aggression in very normal situations.
What? There is absolutely nothing rude about the OP's posts. Some people get to the point directly and there is nothing wrong with that. Besides I see a lot of thanks in the second post. I have no idea what you two are talking about.
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Re: Salary expectation in Zug while moving from Germany to Switzerland

nothing wrong with the post at all ....

As I said you are probably 35 years old and have ten years experience - In zurich 140K is the right sort of number

120 is definitely the low end
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What? There is absolutely nothing rude about the OP's posts. Some people get to the point directly and there is nothing wrong with that. Besides I see a lot of thanks in the second post. I have no idea what you two are talking about.
Somewhat ironic given your experience:

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During my time here in CH, I have probably been told off or barked at by half the Swiss population except for the customs and police officers. They have always been very polite, even whey fined me.
Perhaps now we see why?
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Re: Salary expectation in Zug while moving from Germany to Switzerland

75k is a high salary in Germany (top 20% from the data that I can see online) so the question is do you want to come to Switzerland badly enough to take a pay cut. According to "numbeo" (a cost of living comparison website) you would need net earnings that are 77% higher in Zurich to maintain the same living standards in Frankfurt. So, if I take EUR 75k and convert that to CHF, that is CHF 80,371. If I increase that by 77% I get CHF 142k. So, I would be asking for a salary in the CHF 140-150k range.

Now just as an FYI. Swiss companies are desperate to cut wage costs and one way to do that is to hire European workers on below market salaries. A well informed local Swiss worker would probably do your job for CHF 150k but the company will likely try to low-ball you with a CHF 115-120k number to see if they can save money. Whether or not you take their offer will depend on how badly you want to come here.

Zug is beautiful so best of luck!
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75k is a high salary in Germany (top 20% from the data that I can see online) so the question is do you want to come to Switzerland badly enough to take a pay cut. According to "numbeo" (a cost of living comparison website) you would need net earnings that are 77% higher in Zurich to maintain the same living standards in Frankfurt. So, if I take EUR 75k and convert that to CHF, that is CHF 80,371. If I increase that by 77% I get CHF 142k. So, I would be asking for a salary in the CHF 140-150k range.

Now just as an FYI. Swiss companies are desperate to cut wage costs and one way to do that is to hire European workers on below market salaries. A well informed local Swiss worker would probably do your job for CHF 150k but the company will likely try to low-ball you with a CHF 115-120k number to see if they can save money. Whether or not you take their offer will depend on how badly you want to come here.

Zug is beautiful so best of luck!
First of all, I would not trust Numbeo numbers. At least one would go granular and build one's consumption basket bottom up.

Second, your back of the envelope calculation is based on gross income (I assume the 75k in Frankfurt are gross), but there is a significant difference between Germany and Switzerland on tax and social security. Again, I would suggest the OP does a proper calculation of gross to net. There should be plenty of information how to do this in the sticky posts.
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75k is a high salary in Germany (top 20% from the data that I can see online) so the question is do you want to come to Switzerland badly enough to take a pay cut. According to "numbeo" (a cost of living comparison website) you would need net earnings that are 77% higher in Zurich to maintain the same living standards in Frankfurt. So, if I take EUR 75k and convert that to CHF, that is CHF 80,371. If I increase that by 77% I get CHF 142k. So, I would be asking for a salary in the CHF 140-150k range.

Now just as an FYI. Swiss companies are desperate to cut wage costs and one way to do that is to hire European workers on below market salaries. A well informed local Swiss worker would probably do your job for CHF 150k but the company will likely try to low-ball you with a CHF 115-120k number to see if they can save money. Whether or not you take their offer will depend on how badly you want to come here.

Zug is beautiful so best of luck!
I just hired someone from Germany with similar experience for a team lead role; 140-150k sounds about right - although someone resident here may get a bit more, I wouldn't offer that to someone moving from abroad because of the additional risk they won't fit in etc.
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I just hired someone from Germany with similar experience for a team lead role; 140-150k sounds about right - although someone resident here may get a bit more, I wouldn't offer that to someone moving from abroad because of the additional risk they won't fit in etc.
Just for the OPs sake - Those numbers are base salary yes??

They do not incude any "expenses" which the banks like to give or bonus.
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Just for the OPs sake - Those numbers are base salary yes??

They do not incude any "expenses" which the banks like to give or bonus.
Base gross salary yes, at this level there is no "expense allowance" tax dodge.

Usual additions - a decent pension payment, child allowance if applicable etc.

Not including bonus of course.
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Re: Salary expectation in Zug while moving from Germany to Switzerland

And a final one from me - What should the OP expect as a bonus

Is 10 - 20% about the right sort of number?
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Base gross salary yes, at this level there is no "expense allowance" tax dodge.

Usual additions - a decent pension payment, child allowance if applicable etc.

Not including bonus of course.
Child allowance? Never heard of that.

There is the government child benefit which is between 200 and 300 CHF per month depending on canton, but this has nothing to do with salary (although usually paid out with salary).
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