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Voluntary redundancy and rav / deliberately getting fired

The landscape looks bleak for me and I think there will be cuts in my department. Of voluntary redundancy was mentioned and I put my hand up would that count against me and the rav?

I donít think Switzerland does voluntary redundancy so as an alternative what would in theory happen if you basically behaves badly and got fired for poor performance. Iím not talking about gaming the system but I am hedging my bets after five years in a miserable team with no career or salary prospects and covid has made things worse

Can you get fired and head of to the pub and then the rav?! Serious question and hope someone can explain how not to be switzerlanded
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Old 22.10.2020, 03:31
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Re: Voluntary redundancy and rav / deliberately getting fired

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Seriously!

If you leave voluntarily or engineer your termination it will count against you in term of lost benefits. As part of the process, your employer will be required to complete an official document as to the nature of your departure. Donít expect them to lie for you.

Stick it out and let your employer do all the running. To do otherwise could be expensive.
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Old 22.10.2020, 03:53
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Re: Voluntary redundancy and rav / deliberately getting fired

Like in any other country, when << after five years in a miserable team with no career or salary prospects>> one looks for a better job, secures it, resigns and moves on. Well, actually most people do that before five years have passed.

But that's for adults. Children have Daddy sort it for them. RAV is not Daddy.
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The landscape looks bleak for me and I think there will be cuts in my department. Of voluntary redundancy was mentioned and I put my hand up would that count against me and the rav?

I donít think Switzerland does voluntary redundancy so as an alternative what would in theory happen if you basically behaves badly and got fired for poor performance. Iím not talking about gaming the system but I am hedging my bets after five years in a miserable team with no career or salary prospects and covid has made things worse

Can you get fired and head of to the pub and then the rav?! Serious question and hope someone can explain how not to be switzerlanded
You would get a crappy reference and an even worse next job.

Why not actually try to help yourself instead of waiting to take benefits. Look for a job now, the market isn't great but it isn't completely dead.
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Like in any other country, when << after five years in a miserable team with no career or salary prospects>> one looks for a better job, secures it, resigns and moves on. Well, actually most people do that before five years have passed.
Be kind, it isn't so easy to find work these days...

Good luck OP, been there - best to stick it out and let the employer make you redundant before volunteering.
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Re: Voluntary redundancy and rav / deliberately getting fired

Thanks - I ve stuck it out for five years which is a miracle in my view - It has been horrible from day one.

I do not want to work in Switzerland after this experience - I expect swiss to be organised educated and smart - Instead I found chaos anarchy and stress.

So the employer can stuff his reference letter because I dont need it - All I need now is to max out the time I can get paid before I leave to new adventures which is why the RAV is important to understand - Yes I am a child and RAV is daddy
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Re: Voluntary redundancy and rav / deliberately getting fired

OP, just wanted to say that your username, although changed, is quite recognizable and what you said about your time here does not match the description you gave in earlier threads.
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OP, just wanted to say that your username, although changed, is quite recognizable and what you said about your time here does not match the description you gave in earlier threads.
Should I then say that I am asking for a friend or a hypothetical question ? I m keen to understand the rules thoroughly and completely
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Re: Voluntary redundancy and rav / deliberately getting fired

If your employer announced that a certain number of redundancies are being planned, you can volunteer to be laid off (not fired) instead of someone else. You will be eligible for RAV support. However, note that RAV will not simply hand out the money - you will need to prove you are actively searching for a job (submitting certain number of applications per month, with all the details - job you applied for, employer, date you applied, feedback you received, in case you were rejected, grounds for being rejected etc). RAV is not a sugar daddy, there are quite a few strict rules you will have to play by.
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OP, just wanted to say that your username, although changed, is quite recognizable and what you said about your time here does not match the description you gave in earlier threads.
You don't have to search long ago. 5 days ago he was working and living in Deutschland. https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...itzerland.html
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All I need now is to max out the time I can get paid before I leave
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Re: Voluntary redundancy and rav / deliberately getting fired

You might find it harder to get fired than you think. Anyone seen Office Space? You might get a promotion!


If you get fired for gross-misconduct the RAV will probably punish you. If simply get fired for being incompetent then probably not.


Sometimes companies ask for volunteers but even if you put your hand up it doesn't necessarily mean they'll choose you! This also would be ok for RAV.


Not that it makes it right but many people play the system, either by "choosing" to go on the RAV or "choosing" to off long term sick.


There's a Swiss lesson - you're gonna get screwed over so you may as well screw over others.
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