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Putting (unrelated volunteering experience) in CV?

OH is applying for some jobs. His target jobs are highly technical (like software guy, mathematician, researcher...).

He is doing some community service. For example he is the responsible person of a local club which organizes cultural activities for children in the town. He is also a part-time teacher in a local language school.

We are wondering, should these be mentioned in his CV?
One one hand, I think these experience are unrelated to his target job. On the other hand, maybe this can anyway show that he has a service mindset and good organization/communication skills?
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Old 09.12.2020, 20:36
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OH is applying for some jobs. His target jobs are highly technical (like software guy, mathematician, researcher...).

He is doing some community service. For example he is the responsible person of a local club which organizes cultural activities for children in the town. He is also a part-time teacher in a local language school.

We are wondering, should these be mentioned in his CV?
One one hand, I think these experience are unrelated to his target job. On the other hand, maybe this can anyway show that he has a service mindset and good organization/communication skills?
I would put it in provided that (1) you have strong focus on the core requirements, and (2) the CV does not get too long
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Old 09.12.2020, 20:37
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Re: Putting (unrelated volunteering experience) in CV?

Absolutely. It indicates culture and roundedness.
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Re: Putting (unrelated volunteering experience) in CV?

Part time teacher in a local language school would be a paid job?

If so then he would have to check that with his new employer, and if he applies for a full-time role there could be complications with the working time rules.

But generally showing involvement in the community is probably a good thing.
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Re: Putting (unrelated volunteering experience) in CV?

If it can show a good character and ability to work in teams etc etc then put it. If it could be seen to be something that would distract him from the job then don't. Leave off things like "I like walks in the Park". I've seen that on some CVs.



Be aware also that in English English "Community Service" is what criminals sometimes do in lieu of a prison sentence.
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Old 09.12.2020, 23:39
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Re: Putting (unrelated volunteering experience) in CV?

I mention hobbies / interests on my CV as sometimes it makes an ice-breaking talking point. I’ve also asked about a candidate’s hobbies as an interviewer before launching into job-relevant questions.
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I mention hobbies / interests on my CV as sometimes it makes an ice-breaking talking point. I’ve also asked about a candidate’s hobbies as an interviewer before launching into job-relevant questions.
This. But as others have said only real ones (not made up) and provide more detail than "reading and travelling"
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Re: Putting (unrelated volunteering experience) in CV?

If I went to an interview and the first question was "what do you like to do in your spare time?" I'd probably walk out. Maybe this is why there are so many people doing jobs that they really shouldn't ;-) I guess it depends on the job.
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Old 10.12.2020, 09:03
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If I went to an interview and the first question was "what do you like to do in your spare time?" I'd probably walk out. Maybe this is why there are so many people doing jobs that they really shouldn't ;-) I guess it depends on the job.
If this would be your response to such a question, the company got off lucky by not hiring you.
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Re: Putting (unrelated volunteering experience) in CV?

Yes, put it in the CV. It gives the employer a full overview of the character of the potential hire.


I recall once interviewing a candidate for a position. His qualifications, references and experience were all perfect, but it was his hobbies and social activities that interested me. Most of the interview was a chat about those activities and yes, I did hire him. In fcat it was those activities that made him stand out over the other candidates.
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Old 10.12.2020, 12:19
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If I went to an interview and the first question was "what do you like to do in your spare time?" I'd probably walk out. Maybe this is why there are so many people doing jobs that they really shouldn't ;-) I guess it depends on the job.
My last first interview was on the phone and it covered casual stuff in 3 languages with native speakers. I guess the topic was irrelevant, what mattered were the reaction to a surprise and actual fluency. Only by the second call we got into the technical questions. So, small talk may just be another assessment strategy.
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Old 10.12.2020, 14:01
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Re: Putting (unrelated volunteering experience) in CV?

I interviewed for 2 large French companies (while in France), for executive positions.

Beyond the technical knowledge / expertise / leadership, etc etc interviews with all functions (management, R&D, finance, HR, Ops...you name it), in both cases, there was a 'business lunch' included on the schedule.

They also test you there -- from how at ease you are moving from small talk to dealing with business at the table, to which are your standards on the " savoir etre ", (ah, and also your fit for purpose to immerse in French culture (as I am not French) and important French subjects...like wine & cheese

And I am serious on the last point....
so yes, 'unrelated volunteering experience', if the CV < 2 pages (or fits on 1 page for juniors), why not, it showcases curiosity, interest, and cultural awareness

p.s. Yes, got offers for both of them, despite the fact that I missed the names of a couple of cheeses....
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Re: Putting (unrelated volunteering experience) in CV?

I would as it reflects highly on your OH.

I have seen these types of tasks at the bottom of several CV's that is under the category "Outside Interests". (I.e. we just hired someone who had recently volunteered as a park ranger in SA.)
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They also test you there -- from how at ease you are moving from small talk to dealing with business at the table, to which are your standards on the " savoir etre ", (ah, and also your fit for purpose to immerse in French culture (as I am not French) and important French subjects...like wine & cheese
Well that gives me some hope if all work is finally outsourced from Switzerland. I am well versed in French food, wine and culture.
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Old 10.12.2020, 14:49
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I mention hobbies / interests on my CV as sometimes it makes an ice-breaking talking point. I’ve also asked about a candidate’s hobbies as an interviewer before launching into job-relevant questions.
I got a job once because it turned out the boss and I shared a hobby and we talked about that for so long that we ran out of time and had to rush the official bit.

It turned out not to be such a good match after all and I only lasted a year .

But experience gained helped me land my next job.
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OH is applying for some jobs. His target jobs are highly technical (like software guy, mathematician, researcher...).

He is doing some community service. For example he is the responsible person of a local club which organizes cultural activities for children in the town. He is also a part-time teacher in a local language school.

We are wondering, should these be mentioned in his CV?
One one hand, I think these experience are unrelated to his target job. On the other hand, maybe this can anyway show that he has a service mindset and good organization/communication skills?
Yes absolutely. Under the point "weitere Tätigkeiten".
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Re: Putting (unrelated volunteering experience) in CV?

Based on your comment, it is one way of weeding out the prima-donnas who end up being loathed by the rest of the team. It saves wasting time on the technical questions.

It’s more like I’ll mention, “I see you’re into summarising Proust. Are you in a team?” More casual chat to be a bit more human.

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If I went to an interview and the first question was "what do you like to do in your spare time?" I'd probably walk out. Maybe this is why there are so many people doing jobs that they really shouldn't ;-) I guess it depends on the job.
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Re: Putting (unrelated volunteering experience) in CV?

It is just a competitive job market right now you need anything that might give you an edge. Also your OH should tailor their CV for each application and make sure it's in an ATS readable format like PDF or Word. Good luck...
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