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Re: Planning to quit job + unemployment benefit

I would like to add, that I would never abuse the system. Years ago when I first got here and was initially just working seasons and never requested unemployment benefits. I used all my savings keeping my head above water until I finally got a permanent job. Were I a lot younger I probably would still be more durable but I'm not. Believe me, it's not nice having to constantly apply for jobs that you get turned down for (I'm nearly 62) since most employers want younger people. Sometimes one door closes and another opens.
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In this context, it's kinda scary not to have any reply from the OP for this long while...
no worry, the OP has liked all the reply posts until yours (chronologically)
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I don't want to hijack this post, but what is the general consensus regarding "asking to be fired?" Most Swiss employers must understand that if you resign you are penalized by the RAV and so resigning is not really an option for a lot of people, even if they can't stand the job. On the other hand, you could argue that this is an abuse of the system and that RAV money should go to those who actually need it and I can see some employers being reluctant to doing that.

Is there any downside to going down this path? For example, could your employer tell the RAV that you asked to be fired behind your back? I can imagine there are a lot of companies that are looking to cut costs and would be happy to write you a good reference letter and let you go on the RAV and just use the standard "covid-19 cost cutting so we had to let go of this chap" excuse.
I resigned from my old job without another job offer at that moment and I haven't asked my employer to fire me (even I did have that thought) because I would feel embarassed to ask so. In my opinion, that would be basically asking if the employer can also lie to RAV to cooperate our lie.
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Re: Planning to quit job + unemployment benefit

Neutralname, can we get one thing clear here, I or my employer were not lying about anything or deceiving the RAV. Me being fired was inevitable due to the fact that I was no longer willing to put up with an employer who was braking just about every labor law in the book. I was not willing to be a yes person to him and his absolute mismanagement of all the staff, most of whom didn't have the nerve to stand up to him. I did and I had already been in touch with the RAV to get guidance about the situation in my workplace. Short of taking him to court, and me already receiving a written warning for daring to say that he had no idea how to run this specific business. Sooner or later he would have fired me and was already talking to his lawyers about it. So, if at the end of the day to just agree between us, that he and I agreed the best thing was to serve me my notice sooner rather than later was our way to terminate me. then so be it. I've worked a long time, 22 years of which have been here in Switzerland, and paid a heck of a lot in to the system. For the first time in my life I'm using the system I AM NOT ABUSING THE SYSTEM.
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Re: Planning to quit job + unemployment benefit

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I don't want to hijack this post, but what is the general consensus regarding "asking to be fired?" Most Swiss employers must understand that if you resign you are penalized by the RAV and so resigning is not really an option for a lot of people, even if they can't stand the job. On the other hand, you could argue that this is an abuse of the system and that RAV money should go to those who actually need it and I can see some employers being reluctant to doing that.

Is there any downside to going down this path? For example, could your employer tell the RAV that you asked to be fired behind your back? I can imagine there are a lot of companies that are looking to cut costs and would be happy to write you a good reference letter and let you go on the RAV and just use the standard "covid-19 cost cutting so we had to let go of this chap" excuse.

I think this depends on the manager if you can reach a mutual understanding and citing reorganization is usually a good reason. But you could also force a firing if they refuse by instantly being uncooperative and not performing well in tasks etc, sounds bad but in a situation where work environment is toxic, stressful and leaving is inevitable, getting fired by any means is more beneficial. Surely companies would prefer to let you go rather than having to force this course of action.
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Neutralname, can we get one thing clear here, I or my employer were not lying about anything or deceiving the RAV. Me being fired was inevitable due to the fact that I was no longer willing to put up with an employer who was braking just about every labor law in the book. I was not willing to be a yes person to him and his absolute mismanagement of all the staff, most of whom didn't have the nerve to stand up to him. I did and I had already been in touch with the RAV to get guidance about the situation in my workplace. Short of taking him to court, and me already receiving a written warning for daring to say that he had no idea how to run this specific business. Sooner or later he would have fired me and was already talking to his lawyers about it. So, if at the end of the day to just agree between us, that he and I agreed the best thing was to serve me my notice sooner rather than later was our way to terminate me. then so be it. I've worked a long time, 22 years of which have been here in Switzerland, and paid a heck of a lot in to the system. For the first time in my life I'm using the system I AM NOT ABUSING THE SYSTEM.
I was replying to Brian1985's post, I haven't even read your post when I was replying to him. calm down man
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