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Does anyone here knows how one that does not speak French fluently should proceed at the ORP office? I went there and they refuse to speak English and i don't know anyone here that can help me to translate... I am alone.
Do you have any idea if there is any service or any other way to begin the procedure without speaking French?

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Old 29.12.2020, 12:21
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Hey there,

Does anyone here knows how one that does not speak French fluently should proceed at the ORP office? I went there and they refuse to speak English and i don't know anyone here that can help me to translate... I am alone.
Do you have any idea if there is any service or any other way to begin the procedure without speaking French?

Thank you.
You could ask here if someone could translate for you. Try by adding the dates you need to go there, maybe someone has time to help you.
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Re: ORG chomage unemployement

If you struggle with subscription, just learn a few anticipated sentences/questions. I subscribed with almost no French, repeating endlessly "Je voudrais souscrire au chômage.". They asked for something which I didn't understood but I didn't care, I just repeated my sentence. In the end I was handed the subscription file to fill in which I did using google translate


Now, of course, I had to bring someone to translate for the first information session. I subscribed to tutor24.ch and found someone willing to come with me to the ORP. Another options I thought of was to go any local language meetup and ask, post on local facebook groups, etc.


At the regular monthly meetings the advisor got annoyed with the pass-through-middle-man and switched to English, since then I was attending the sessions alone.
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Re: ORG chomage unemployement

If you got an iPhone running iOS 14 [released last fall] it has a live translate ability. So you speak to it in English and it translates to French. Obviously you need 4G or is it 5G now.

https://www.macrumors.com/guide/apple-translate/

I suspect Android got something like this too. That will sort your problem.

If you're still really lost drop me a PM. I live up the road from Tour-la-Peilz and I am also unemployed/underemployed/unemployable/redepolyed select your pick.

I am pretty sure Google has some tool you can download on your phone that you can point at some text and ask it to translate it to you too. The wife uses something like that all the time.

I have contacts in the local ORP office I am sure I can ask them to send you the forms you need too.

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Re: ORG chomage unemployement

Thank you all for the replies and suggestions.
Yes, Google Translate in real time can be an option.
What i plan to do is to use a friend as a translator via phone. I hope they don't mind.
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If you struggle with subscription, just learn a few anticipated sentences/questions. I subscribed with almost no French, repeating endlessly "Je voudrais souscrire au chômage.". They asked for something which I didn't understood but I didn't care, I just repeated my sentence. In the end I was handed the subscription file to fill in which I did using google translate
I went there once, and a stranger helped me with translation. But i cannot rely on that second time i go there. I will try to use Google or someone via phone.


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Now, of course, I had to bring someone to translate for the first information session. I subscribed to tutor24.ch and found someone willing to come with me to the ORP. Another options I thought of was to go any local language meetup and ask, post on local facebook groups, etc.


At the regular monthly meetings the advisor got annoyed with the pass-through-middle-man and switched to English, since then I was attending the sessions alone.

Indeed. The regular meetings is what scares me the most.
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Indeed. The regular meetings is what scares me the most.

It all depends on the attitude of your counsellor. Do your best to get on with this person. It is just a box ticking exercise for them. They won´t do much to actually help you to find work, except perhaps help you attend a French course.
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Indeed. The regular meetings is what scares me the most.

Don't be afraid, after all their job is to help you find a job and they focus on it. In my experience you need to give them a solid reason to be crossed on you and make you life harder. As I wrote before, I subscribed with no French. On the first meeting the advisor discussed with me my options, views on finding a new job, etc, and let me go on my own. However after 3 or 4 months, still being unemployed she insisted on taking French course, so I was put two times in a row for 2 months intensive courses (4 months total). Well, the courses were not so intensive, but lessons were scheduled 5 days a week, 4h. Tip: money wise it's better to subscribe to the morning sessions as then they give you an additional lunch allowance, ca. 500 chf a month. I have no idea why you don't have it when attending the afternoon sessions.
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Don't be afraid, after all their job is to help you find a job and they focus on it. In my experience you need to give them a solid reason to be crossed on you and make you life harder. As I wrote before, I subscribed with no French. On the first meeting the advisor discussed with me my options, views on finding a new job, etc, and let me go on my own. However after 3 or 4 months, still being unemployed she insisted on taking French course, so I was put two times in a row for 2 months intensive courses (4 months total). Well, the courses were not so intensive, but lessons were scheduled 5 days a week, 4h. Tip: money wise it's better to subscribe to the morning sessions as then they give you an additional lunch allowance, ca. 500 chf a month. I have no idea why you don't have it when attending the afternoon sessions.
So having spent 4 months learning French did it make any difference to your job hunt...
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It all depends on the attitude of your counsellor. Do your best to get on with this person. It is just a box ticking exercise for them. They won´t do much to actually help you to find work, except perhaps help you attend a French course.
Help, no force you to attend.
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Re: ORG chomage unemployement

Not at all but in the end it was beneficial, I can more or less, well rather less, manage on my own with everyday French now. I guess I could make fast progress with it if it's not been so easy to use google translate on my mobile



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Re: ORG chomage unemployement

If they offer a French course i would be happy to take it.
The second time i went there, the guy made an effort to speak English, but then he gave up... So i called someone to help me and everything got resolved. But the for my first appointment they explicitly wrote that i need to be there with a physical translator.
Well, if i don't find anyone, i don't care and just show up there with no French.
Or with translated French on my phone saying "Put me in a French course. Thanks."
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If they offer a French course i would be happy to take it.
The second time i went there, the guy made an effort to speak English, but then he gave up... So i called someone to help me and everything got resolved. But the for my first appointment they explicitly wrote that i need to be there with a physical translator.
Well, if i don't find anyone, i don't care and just show up there with no French.
Or with translated French on my phone saying "Put me in a French course. Thanks."
Just be aware that the RAV now is your employer and will ask for some efforts from your side?
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Don't be afraid, after all their job is to help you find a job and they focus on it. In my experience you need to give them a solid reason to be crossed on you and make you life harder. As I wrote before, I subscribed with no French. On the first meeting the advisor discussed with me my options, views on finding a new job, etc, and let me go on my own. However after 3 or 4 months, still being unemployed she insisted on taking French course, so I was put two times in a row for 2 months intensive courses (4 months total). Well, the courses were not so intensive, but lessons were scheduled 5 days a week, 4h. Tip: money wise it's better to subscribe to the morning sessions as then they give you an additional lunch allowance, ca. 500 chf a month. I have no idea why you don't have it when attending the afternoon sessions.
I am curious. Apart from the French course, did you find your advisor helpful in your job search? Did you find a job in the end, and after how many months?
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