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Re: Caught in U.K. - Swiss crossroads [Employment Help]

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Ok, so some numbers. This is the tfl report, there is a section on frequency https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/defa...s-mind_gap.pdf

peak times, trains about every 2 minutes.

I went from archway to bank, for several years.

That's when they're on time - minor delays are a common occurence on the Northern line. You're also on the other branch to the one I used which I suspected and can go straight to Bank on that line. Maybe that's more reliable?

I didnt have half as many issues travelling between Liverpool St and Euston (also done for years) as I did using the Northern/Jubilee combo to London Bridge and Canary Wharf so I appreciate for some lines it's a nice way to travel (especially now with the airconditioned trains on the Met line).
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Wow, first of all, thank you all very much for the responses! I didn't expect so many!

In terms of my living costs, I live in zone 1 and have only ever walked to work in all my 5 years in London (I've been very meticulous about this...) Have been able to keep rent + bills below £1000 in a nice 2 bed modern flat within walking distance to work.

My partner would do the Zurich-Basel Commute if we would share a small apartment in Zurich. Having done some research, looks as though 2.2-2.6kCHF should be doable within the city. I would be walking to work in this scenario.

Having spoken to some friends of friends acquainted with the Zurich market, they did confirm that the company does pay lower than average (they have friends working there as well) and encouraged me to still push for higher.


I guess my main concern outside of money is more that I would be giving up a good stepping stone in career if I wouldn't stay in London, as far as Swiss Job permits go, is it more likely that you will land a swiss job,permit if you're in a more senior role as opposed to mid-level/junior as I am now?

Yes I agree with you, I enjoy London but not sure I want to settle there...I had been visiting Switzerland even before meeting my partner and wanting to settle there.

Can you please tell me what ''OP'' means? Seen this acronym quite a bit

Yes I agree with you, I enjoy London but not sure I want to settle there...I had been visiting Switzerland even before meeting my partner and wanting to settle there.

Can you please tell me what ''OP'' means? Seen this acronym quite a bit

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Re: Caught in U.K. - Swiss crossroads [Employment Help]

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Can you please tell me what ''OP'' means? Seen this acronym quite a bit
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I guess my main concern outside of money is more that I would be giving up a good stepping stone in career if I wouldn't stay in London, as far as Swiss Job permits go, is it more likely that you will land a swiss job,permit if you're in a more senior role as opposed to mid-level/junior as I am now?
If your skills are in demand, you'll always find a job... But generally speaking, companies prefer to hire local people as they are already here and fully committed to stay here. Unless they're looking for cheap labour which is not unusual but from my experience the first job was the hardest to land, now it's much easier and I'm even headhunted via LinkedIn now.
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Re: Caught in U.K. - Swiss crossroads [Employment Help]

The problem is 98kCHF is not the same as £70k. If you are able to get £70k in the UK, you should be able to get more than 98kCHF in Switzerland.

Maybe push further for a pay increase for the Swiss company?

If no movement, maybe you could take the Swiss job, settle in to Swiss life, then start looking for another job.

If you really want to be with your partner come to Switzerland!
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70k in London is a great salary.
98k for a senior digital in Zurich is awful.

Take London by a country mile.
May I ask why you think the Zurich salary is low? I am also curious to know what a 'senior digital consultant'does. Is this about managing online presence? Maybe the OP can answer this question so we can tell if the salary offered is low.

PS. For me 70k for 'Head of client services' sounds low actually. 'Head' implies senior managerial level. Is this for managing people or is it just the one person managing himself in a small company?
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Wow, first of all, thank you all very much for the responses! I didn't expect so many!

In terms of my living costs, I live in zone 1 and have only ever walked to work in all my 5 years in London (I've been very meticulous about this...) Have been able to keep rent + bills below £1000 in a nice 2 bed modern flat within walking distance to work.

My partner would do the Zurich-Basel Commute if we would share a small apartment in Zurich. Having done some research, looks as though 2.2-2.6kCHF should be doable within the city. I would be walking to work in this scenario.

Having spoken to some friends of friends acquainted with the Zurich market, they did confirm that the company does pay lower than average (they have friends working there as well) and encouraged me to still push for higher. Not quite so many returnees from "Islamic State".


I guess my main concern outside of money is more that I would be giving up a good stepping stone in career if I wouldn't stay in London, as far as Swiss Job permits go, is it more likely that you will land a swiss job,permit if you're in a more senior role as opposed to mid-level/junior as I am now?
How the heck do you live in Zone 1 in a 2 bed Flat below £1000.

I rent my Zone 2/3 1 bed rabbit hutch out for £1200, and could probably get more. Admittedly in a posh part of town.

I can only imagine it's a council flat in Shadwell. If it is you will be unimaginably better off in Switzerland in terms of quality of life.

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May I ask why you think the Zurich salary is low? I am also curious to know what a 'senior digital consultant'does. Is this about managing online presence? Maybe the OP can answer this question so we can tell if the salary offered is low.

PS. For me 70k for 'Head of client services' sounds low actually. 'Head' implies senior managerial level. Is this for managing people or is it just the one person managing himself in a small company?
Head of Client Services in London, UK averages GBP 67k https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/l...urce=searchBtn.

Digital Consultant in Zurich (not even Senior), averages CHF 109k https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/l...urce=searchBtn

But the comparison was the salaries compared to each other was my intention. From a disposable income perspective, on 70k in london you are absolutely laughing unless you have a family to support, in which case its comfortable. Average salary in london is GBP 38k (https://www.payscale.com/research/UK...-London/Salary).

98k in Zurich for a senior digital consultant is both an awful salary for that level of role, but also is low for disposable income, your gross is 8k / Month, after all deductions and costs.

I would look for 130-140 as an equivalent salary. the old rule still applies: CHF should be double GBP salary wise for cost of living comparison.
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Head of Client Services in London, UK averages GBP 67k https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/l...urce=searchBtn.

Digital Consultant in Zurich (not even Senior), averages CHF 109k https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/l...urce=searchBtn

But the comparison was the salaries compared to each other was my intention. From a disposable income perspective, on 70k in london you are absolutely laughing unless you have a family to support, in which case its comfortable. Average salary in london is GBP 38k (https://www.payscale.com/research/UK...-London/Salary).

98k in Zurich for a senior digital consultant is both an awful salary for that level of role, but also is low for disposable income, your gross is 8k / Month, after all deductions and costs.

I would look for 130-140 as an equivalent salary. the old rule still applies: CHF should be double GBP salary wise for cost of living comparison.
Interesting. I would imagine from what I hear about rents in London and the higher tax rates, there won't be that much difference in the net take-home between London and Zurich but from what I read on this thread, I might be wrong.

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Hi All,

Itís been 2years of constant applying and constant rejection with Swiss job applications!!

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The OP has been applying for 2 years and from what I understand this is the best offer they could get in CH. Of course their skills might be valuable more in the UK and this is not a reflection of their ability/skills but something to keep in mind.

By living together in Zurich, they would avoid paying double rent and utilities etc. which might even out any disposable income difference.

I think for the OP, the decision should be based on which position is better for their career rather than the salary they will be getting. The relationship aspect is also important but the world is full of people who sacrifice their careers for a relationship only to regret it later.
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Head of Client Services in London, UK averages GBP 67k https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/l...urce=searchBtn.

Digital Consultant in Zurich (not even Senior), averages CHF 109k https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/l...urce=searchBtn

But the comparison was the salaries compared to each other was my intention. From a disposable income perspective, on 70k in london you are absolutely laughing unless you have a family to support, in which case its comfortable. Average salary in london is GBP 38k (https://www.payscale.com/research/UK...-London/Salary).

98k in Zurich for a senior digital consultant is both an awful salary for that level of role, but also is low for disposable income, your gross is 8k / Month, after all deductions and costs.

I would look for 130-140 as an equivalent salary. the old rule still applies: CHF should be double GBP salary wise for cost of living comparison.
I got almost exactly double and am miles better off. My rent is similar to London, my tax is much lower, my commuting is much cheaper. Groceries are more granted - but that's partially because of reduced access to Germany.

If its an old rule it doesn't make sense to keep following it - the Franc has strengthened a lot vs the £.
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Interesting. I would imagine from what I hear about rents in London and the higher tax rates, there won't be that much difference in the net take-home between London and Zurich but from what I read on this thread, I might be wrong.

I work here and still have my family at present in the UK.

I get paid roughly 1.6 times the UK rate for my same role at 145k here however even AFTER I pay for all my Swiss expenses for living here (1900 flat, 300 insurance and internet) I send back to the UK each month the equivalent of a £130k UK salary in UK take home pay. This is due the massive taxation difference here vs UK (50% over 100k salary plus you lose your tax free allowance completely after 112500 salary).

That's forgetting the stupidly better pensions here vs UK companies and other benefits of living here. It's a no brainer I wish I'd done it a decade earlier.
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Interesting. I would imagine from what I hear about rents in London and the higher tax rates, there won't be that much difference in the net take-home between London and Zurich but from what I read on this thread, I might be wrong.
Correct, you are wrong.

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I think what is more interesting is this:



The OP has been applying for 2 years and from what I understand this is the best offer they could get in CH. Of course their skills might be valuable more in the UK and this is not a reflection of their ability/skills but something to keep in mind.

By living together in Zurich, they would avoid paying double rent and utilities etc. which might even out any disposable income difference.

I think for the OP, the decision should be based on which position is better for their career rather than the salary they will be getting. The relationship aspect is also important but the world is full of people who sacrifice their careers for a relationship only to regret it later.
I think in any offer you look at the whole package and what you want to achieve. Its nice to think of an offer out here as a starting point to kick off a great career, but in many cases the blunt truth is that it is an organization getting people on the cheap because they think that a salary translated at the current FX rate is fair, when in fact you need a lot more to live out here.
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I work here and still have my family at present in the UK.

I get paid roughly 1.6 times the UK rate for my same role at 145k here however even AFTER I pay for all my Swiss expenses for living here (1900 flat, 300 insurance and internet) I send back to the UK each month the equivalent of a £130k UK salary in UK take home pay. This is due the massive taxation difference here vs UK (50% over 100k salary plus you lose your tax free allowance completely after 112500 salary).

That's forgetting the stupidly better pensions here vs UK companies and other benefits of living here. It's a no brainer I wish I'd done it a decade earlier.
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Correct, you are wrong.
Well, after reading the post above, I am not sure if I am wrong. The poster says by making about 1.6x their salary here vs London, they get a much better deal due to taxation and pension benefits so it sounds your rather too-assured statement might not be so right.
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How the heck do you live in Zone 1 in a 2 bed Flat below £1000.

I rent my Zone 2/3 1 bed rabbit hutch out for £1200, and could probably get more. Admittedly in a posh part of town.

I can only imagine it's a council flat in Shadwell. If it is you will be unimaginably better off in Switzerland in terms of quality of life.
Hello! Actually its in zone 1 5-10mins walk from oldstreet in a modern secure build! You can find these places, just gotta search for a bit (rent dropped from 975 to 875 due to covid!)

Im not a fan of shadwell, I used to live in wapping (paid approx 1600 for a 3 bed flat with massive living room) i much rather prefer this small enclave close to central london
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