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That is a good point. Which could be avoided if people would simply call their partner wife/husband/girlfriend/boyfriend instead of this rather weird habit of speaking about partner, spouse or - the worst of all - OH.
Many people have genuine reasons why they may prefer to use gender- or relationship-neutral terms, and that's their choice. It's still not unlikely, for example, that the reaction to the OP here could have been quite different if she'd used the term 'husband' instead of 'spouse'.

The replies assuming she was a he, and that the trailing spouse was the wife, nicely demonstrate an inherent gender bias on the part of some responders; whether or not it leads to unequal reactions or treatment is another issue, of course...
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Personally for me it a step-up in terms of the role so that is an attractive prospect.
Bear in mind, the salary is difficult to negotiate, unless your prospective manager is going to fight for you. So you may be able to negotiate +5%, unlikely any more.
Also, yearly pay rises are quite often @1%


I know of partners of both sexes who have never found work here. Not that that is the general rule.
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Correct me if I am wrong OP but from the information you posted, I gather you are at least 35 years old. If so, they are significantly undercutting you with a 160K offer (as is the case usually when making offers to people outside of Switzerland).

In my opinion, you are better off in London at the moment. Way too much risk involved with uprooting your entire family to somewhere where you have no contacts nor language skills.
What is your basis for saying 160k is too low? There was not a lot of info what the job is. From that point, it is also difficult to suggest "negotiate a better deal".
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Re: To move or not to move! (From UK to Basel)

Having lived in both countries and a few others, I would suggest that you ask yourself what is important for you. Swiss salaries are high but so are the costs. Language is a big barrier towards integration so important that you are willing to work on that. Else you will live in an Expat Bubble. Also eating out, take-outs, delivery is super expensive. As is having a clean lady/man support (if you do it legally which I would strongly recommend). On the flip side, the country is stunningly beautiful, people give you space, everything is organised and just works. The point re. job search is a very good one. Not easy to crack so ideally think of a Single Person Income for 12 months when you do the calculation. For kids, this country is much better than London for sure. Much more safer and family oriented. All the best with the reflections.
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Re: To move or not to move! (From UK to Basel)

for some reason i was never in any doubt the OP was female. something about the way the post was written. (groans expected by the usual suspects).
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Bear in mind, the salary is difficult to negotiate, unless your prospective manager is going to fight for you. So you may be able to negotiate +5%, unlikely any more.
Also, yearly pay rises are quite often @1%
Or less.

Yes, it's important to recognise that you're likely to stay on pretty much the same salary for a long time unless you make progress up the management ladder, which may or may not be desired. It's not normal to get real pay rises just because you've been there for another year, which is often (or certainly used to be) expected in the UK.

Having said that, 160k plus bonus is pretty good, and overall cost of living, once lower tax rates are taken into account, is likely to be not so different to zone 6. London, even the outskirts, is still one of the most expensive places to live, so Basel won't feel too much of a rip-off by comparison.
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London, even the outskirts, is still one of the most expensive places to live, so Basel won't feel too much of a rip-off by comparison.
is it? have you been there lately? maybe 10 years ago I would agree but I have increasingly found london to be getting progressively cheaper over the the last 10 years compared to both switzerland and new york. even compared to prices down here in TI.
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That is a good point. Which could be avoided if people would simply call their partner wife/husband/girlfriend/boyfriend instead of this rather weird habit of speaking about partner, spouse or - the worst of all - OH.
DH/DW is worse... (Dear...).

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for some reason i was never in any doubt the OP was female. something about the way the post was written. (groans expected by the usual suspects).
Ah. (Quickly goes back and edits post).

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I have been totally smiling reading the replies (and my husband!). I was laughing when you finally caught on to it
Glad to be the cause of a laugh.
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is it? have you been there lately? maybe 10 years ago I would agree but I have increasingly found london to be getting progressively cheaper over the the last 10 years compared to both switzerland and new york. even compared to prices down here in TI.
You may well be right, but then that may also be because you've become more and more used to Swiss salaries. I think that house prices in the UK in general are still very much on the rise over a long term, and that's one of the major factors, particularly in London.

Official figures seem to bear this out. (I picked 2000 as a start date just because that's when I moved over here).

London house price index

It seems that overall cost of living hasn't changed very much over the same period
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Re: To move or not to move! (From UK to Basel)

Besides the job offer, what is your motivation to move to Switzerland?

If you are looking for a certain type of life, these details will be able to allow us to better answer whether you should move or not. Financially, I do not see a reason for you to move.
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You may well be right, but then that may also be because you've become more and more used to Swiss salaries.
I've never earned a salary in switzerland or in CHF either so I don't really know how they compare.

seems like London is dropping down the 'official list'. obviously different people will experience this to differing degrees though.

https://www.excel.london/london-no-l...0year%20before.

your two links are both referenced to GBP which has fallen substantially so london appears to be cheaper to anyone living on most other major currencies.
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Re: To move or not to move! (From UK to Basel)

I have been in Switzerland for many years (since I was a kid). I moved back to the UK to work at the beginning of the 90's for 4 years, before coming back to Switzerland (where I have stayed, other than for a 7-year stay in Japan).

There are many things that I can fault in the UK (comparing healthcare systems for example), but there are also many things that I (still) miss from the UK.

I miss going clay pigeon shooting early on a Sunday morning, having a chip butty, coming home, having a shower and going to The Fox for Sunday lunch.

I miss the conversation at the village store when I go to pick up my papers (and whatever else I may need urgently). (And I am fully conversant in all three national languages, so that is not the issue...it's just "different").

I miss the county fairs, village fetes, and car boot sales.

I miss English bangers (however unhealthy they may be)...actually make that a full English. I miss a mug of transport cafe tea, sweet enough to stand a teaspoon in it.

I miss a ton of things and, although I cannot really complain about my standard of living now, there are too many things I miss. I guess it's just cultural, and despite having lived outside the UK for so many years, there are just some things that I continue to miss.

Switzerland is a great place. But nobody knows how the current situation is going to pan out. Moving to a place where you are confined to quarters for who knows how long is no fun. Forget activities. Schools? Who knows, they may be doing remote schooling. This may complicate integration for children. Will teachers have enough time to give them the attention they need? Forget making friends...

I would say try it....but now is not the best time. If you relocate you want to get off on the right foot. You don't want to be miserable from day one. You don't want your children to be miserable from day one (and if they are cooped up, what are the chances they won't be?).

Whatever you decide, just go into it with your eyes wide open, knowing that acclimatizing to a new environment is never easy, and the current climate will just make it more difficult.
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What is your basis for saying 160k is too low? There was not a lot of info what the job is. From that point, it is also difficult to suggest "negotiate a better deal".
Based on current income in London and assumption of age group.

Now after reading OP saying the job is a 'step-up' from current role, this confirms my suspicions of it being a lowball offer.
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Re: To move or not to move! (From UK to Basel)

To put things into perspective, the salary they are offering you puts you in the top 10% of earners overall and in the top 4% of women when looking at net wages in Switzerland. So you should hopefully be able to scrape by...

Maybe if you do the same calculation for the UK, it would give you some idea of whether you would have better or worse financial situation. Although it has to be said that we do not have such crass differences in cost of housing and salaries as the greater London area does compared to other parts of the country. And knife crime is still very rare here.
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the salary puts you in the top 10% of earners overall
and their existing salary probably top 1% in the UK. that's all that matters.
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Re: To move or not to move! (From UK to Basel)

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Many people have genuine reasons why they may prefer to use gender- or relationship-neutral terms, and that's their choice. It's still not unlikely, for example, that the reaction to the OP here could have been quite different if she'd used the term 'husband' instead of 'spouse'.

The replies assuming she was a he, and that the trailing spouse was the wife, nicely demonstrate an inherent gender bias on the part of some responders; whether or not it leads to unequal reactions or treatment is another issue, of course...
Guilty as charged.
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Re: To move or not to move! (From UK to Basel)

Not sure if it is mentioned above but a massive issue will be .. what if you lose your job ? Yes you'll get social security but I've been here a long time from the UK and ... depending on what you do... the job market is a lot tougher here.. smaller market.. far more competition
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What are the possibilities for my spouse to find an SRE job in Basel?
I don't know why people said it will be difficult for your husband to find a job in CH. It might take a while but as an SRE he will be better-positioned than most trailing spouses in terms of job prospects. It might take around 6 months but I think he has a good chance to land something that will bring 100K+.
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I don't know why people said it will be difficult for your husband to find a job in CH. It might take a while but as an SRE he will be better-positioned than most trailing spouses in terms of job prospects. It might take around 6 months but I think he has a good chance to land something that will bring 100K+.
Maybe not as a third country national and not speaking the language.


Well worth checking the job websites, finding out which agencies recruit these positions, and contacting them now to see how the land lies.
On a positive note there is a lot of manufacturing in the Basel area, including Pharma, so maybe it won't be such a big issue.
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and their existing salary probably top 1% in the UK. that's all that matters.
It's certainly not all that matters but it is something that gives you an idea of how comfortable you will be financially (in this case - very, no matter what choice is made).

The rest is down to whether you have the right sort of mindset and expectations to be happy in Switzerland. My family in the UK think Switzerland is pretty much the best thing since sliced bread and that some of our more "conservative" views are spot on. In fact, they will often say that in terms of social norms, Switzerland is still how the UK used to be back in the good old days. If you prize your individual right to do whatever the heck you want in your own home and spare time, including mowing the lawn or taking your family shopping on a Sunday, stay put. If you are ok with abiding by a set of rules that sometimes infringe on your individual freedoms in the name of serving the common good, it is exactly the right place to be.
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