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Old 06.01.2021, 16:20
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That sounds a bit creepy.
Normal heterosexual male behaviours surely? I'm definitely more interested in woman dating than man dating. Except I'm very happy with wife dating.
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Old 06.01.2021, 17:08
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If your son is a trainee then he needs to fulfil supervised working practice. speaking from experience, this would be very difficult to achieve with remote working young people.
As a Lehrling this wouldn't be a problem - we have several all working from home, and the supervision being online isn't an issue, in fact it seems reasonable that they would follow the same rules as everyone else and get the real world experience.

It is a problem for college placements - our experience is that the colleges have been inflexible on the requirements, despite themselves being in distance-learning mode
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If it's mandatory, it is NOT an option.

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It is only mandatory because certain employers are stuck in the dark ages and feel they can only manage an employee if they are present in an office. There is no actual need to have someone who works in a desk job with a computer and a VPN to come regularly into the office right now...
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Old 06.01.2021, 18:22
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It is only mandatory because certain employers are stuck in the dark ages and feel they can only manage an employee if they are present in an office. There is no actual need to have someone who works in a desk job with a computer and a VPN to come regularly into the office right now...
Alas, I know of very few people who have such jobs.

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Old 06.01.2021, 18:35
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It is only mandatory because certain employers are stuck in the dark ages and feel they can only manage an employee if they are present in an office. There is no actual need to have someone who works in a desk job with a computer and a VPN to come regularly into the office right now...
A small flat with a rampaging 1 year old? (I'm the only person in the office anyway so would ignore the wfh requirement anyway).
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A small flat with a rampaging 1 year old? (I'm the only person in the office anyway so would ignore the wfh requirement anyway).
Exactly! Our offices are open with a reduced maxiumum occupancy and WFH strongly encouraged. The only people going in have toddlers at home. They don't actually want to be there, but they want to be at home even less!
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Old 06.01.2021, 21:30
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Companies buy some kind of employee salary insurance, don't know the specific name. The point is that the company pays 1-2 years of salary in case the employee gets sick and cannot work. This must be on the employment contract terms.
In the Suisse Romande, this is called Assurance Perte de Gain Salaire, or Loss of Salary from illness.

It's a common (and very helpful) benefit, but it's not mandatory for employers.

Only a foolish employer includes this in the employment contract - it's usually described in the staff handbook in a way that allows the employer to alter the arrangements without having to modify employment contracts.

If the arrangements are in place, the insurer pays the salary indemnities. This is subject to the insurer accepting the claim, which they usually will if the doctor certifies illness. This is a reason why it's important for the long term ill to cooperate with the insurer.

Companies that don't have this benefit must pay the minimum as prescribed in the Berne (or Zurich, or Basel) scales, which as you can see from the link below is less generous.

https://fer-ge.ch/documents/40027/46...f-e156fa8dc005
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Old 06.01.2021, 22:12
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Only a foolish employer includes this in the employment contract - it's usually described in the staff handbook in a way that allows the employer to alter the arrangements without having to modify employment contracts.

Indeed, it's in the terms and conditions which is a 30-40 pages annex to the contract. All details such as sick leave and reimbursement of travel expenses is there.
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Old 06.01.2021, 23:12
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Indeed, it's in the terms and conditions which is a 30-40 pages annex to the contract. All details such as sick leave and reimbursement of travel expenses is there.
I don't even have such a terms and conditions annex.

I am protected by the law in case of sickness, I'm not sure how long of a sickness the employer has to cover you for before they can get rid of you but it's pretty long.

It's a liability, but when it comes to covid the biggest liability is that suddenly a bunch of your staff is in quarantine, including people who really need to be at work, because you refused to at least allow people who can to work from home.

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Well I believe it should be mandatory now to work from home if one can.
currently being discussed, I think we will know in a week if it turns into an obligation to work from home if presence isn't necessary to get the job done.
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A small flat with a rampaging 1 year old? (I'm the only person in the office anyway so would ignore the wfh requirement anyway).
Who takes care of your kid when you are at work? My colleagues put their toddlers in the kita while they are working from home right now...
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Old 06.01.2021, 23:33
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Who takes care of your kid when you are at work?
I leave them to fend for themselves!

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Who takes care of your kid when you are at work? My colleagues put their toddlers in the kita while they are working from home right now...
My wife (who doesn't work - she may go back when the kids are older).

Ironically the Kita arrangement while it may be more legal in lockdown is also dangerous in reality.

Our daughter isn't really ready for Kita. She's still mostly breastfed and certainly can't feed herself. Needs her mum to fall asleep.
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A small flat with a rampaging 1 year old? (I'm the only person in the office anyway so would ignore the wfh requirement anyway).
Not so bad ... my 6 month old boy is beginning to crawl and has already learnt how to sit. Sheer pleasure to get interrupted by innocent cooing ... bababa ...

True, in the office I can get done much more with uninterrupted workflow but taking too much risk is not an option either. Especially, when the little one and granny are at home.

So what I did ... I decided to speak to my superior and presented him with the situation. He agreed as my job involves being connected to VPN, server resources and meetings via Teams. No problem.

I wish your boss can honour remote working recommendations as well and peacefully endorse it.
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Not so bad ... my 6 month old boy is beginning to crawl and has already learnt how to sit. Sheer pleasure to get interrupted by innocent cooing ... bababa ...

True, in the office I can get done much more with uninterrupted workflow but taking too much risk is not an option either. Especially, when the little one and granny are at home.

So what I did ... I decided to speak to my superior and presented him with the situation. He agreed as my job involves being connected to VPN, server resources and meetings via Teams. No problem.

I wish your boss can honour remote working recommendations as well and peacefully endorse it.
Theres a world of difference between an immobile 6 month old and a toddler who can walk and open doors. If I lock it she bangs on it and screams. Absolute nightmare.

My boss is happy for me to do as I wish!
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Old 07.01.2021, 01:02
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Theres a world of difference between an immobile 6 month old and a toddler who can walk and open doors. If I lock it she bangs on it and screams. Absolute nightmare.

My boss is happy for me to do as I wish!
Before I even managed to review a couple of chapters while forgetting about my boo ... he quickly changed position from one place to another and got stuck inbetween the cot and legs of the lounge table. One has to be alert and react very quick. Skill which one can truly acquire working at HO is called multitasking
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Are you actually sure he could work from home... does he have his own company laptop with VPN access to the company systems? Has he ever done it before?

Some busy customer services centres don't provide remote working capability due to the more complex telephony systems that you need to be on site to use.

My wife works in UK insurance for Allianz and they basically set up Citrix access for the entire call centre staff in March and gave them each a company mobile phone to take calls on with a headset. Anyone who didn't have a sufficient laptop was provided as well with a work laptop if they couldn't use Citrix. If a major insurance call centre can manage it then most similar companies should be able to as well.

It's pretty much always possible now - it just costs money.
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My wife works in UK insurance for Allianz and they basically set up Citrix access for the entire call centre staff in March and gave them each a company mobile phone to take calls on with a headset. Anyone who didn't have a sufficient laptop was provided as well with a work laptop if they couldn't use Citrix. If a major insurance call centre can manage it then most similar companies should be able to as well.

It's pretty much always possible now - it just costs money.
All the OP has told us is that her son works in customer services, so it could be any small or medium sized company with limited resources. Comparing "the average" with a company the size and richness of your wife's may be a bit of a stretch.
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All the OP has told us is that her son works in customer services, so it could be any small or medium sized company with limited resources. Comparing "the average" with a company the size and richness of your wife's may be a bit of a stretch.

I appreciate that but the costs would be also much lower for a small or medium sized company as well. The point still stands in that cloud Citrix access, telephony etc is very easy to set up nowadays if the company wants it (the IF is usually the issue).

Most companies who don't want their staff working from home suffer more from staff trust issues than technology issues in my experience.
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My wife doesn't want me to work from home.

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My wife doesn't want me to work from home.

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How good are you at reading between the lines?
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