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My wife doesn't want me to work from home.

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I think that can be considered self-explanatory. The poor woman is probably dreading your retirement.
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Old 07.01.2021, 14:45
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Re: Employer insists on working from the office

Before Covid-19, our office was the workplace for around 900 staff, visitors, consultants and service providers. WFH was permitted, but not general practice.

The office was a vibrant hub of collaboration and many staff travelled to events and to meet their stakeholders.

Since last March, we've recommended that all staff WFH, and only come to the office if a physical presence is necessary.

We've got good IT devices and IT security that supports WFH. We use Zoom and Teams, which have been mostly excellent.

I'm one of a handful of folks who've been asked to be regularly physically present - and I'm glad.

I avoid public transport by cycling 15km each way, the office is scrubbed clean several times a day, with robust measures for hygiene, space, and masks.

I take weekly tests, and at the office, I feel safer than anywhere else.

When I do WFH, I miss colleague relationships, and feel disconnected and distant from what is happening.

I also have a personal value that drives me to leave the job at the office, and be present for my family, when I'm at home. I never call, or email my team outside of working hours or during their vacation - And, my team is as far west as SF, and far east as Tokyo. When I'm not at work, I only answer my phone if the Chairman, or my boss calls.

I don't judge anyone who wants to WFH rather than spending time in a workplace - I know where I'd rather work, and while it's its likely to be an unpopular opinion, WFH is not for me.
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When I do WFH, I miss colleague relationships, and feel disconnected and distant from what is happening.

I also have a personal value that drives me to leave the job at the office, and be present for my family, when I'm at home. I never call, or email my team outside of working hours or during their vacation - And, my team is as far west as SF, and far east as Tokyo. When I'm not at work, I only answer my phone if the Chairman, or my boss calls.

I don't judge anyone who wants to WFH rather than spending time in a workplace - I know where I'd rather work, and while it's its likely to be an unpopular opinion, WFH is not for me.

I agree massively with this - we were doing a week into the office and a week out late last year as things started to open up and I then realised how much I prefer working in the office to working alone at home. Although technically I have everything I need to WFH, the fact that I live away from my family here in the week (they're in UK) and on my own every evening anyway means that also WFH on my own all day gets very lonely. This is exacebated in lockdown as usually the weekly meet-ups with the other ex-pat guys from work for a beer are stopped which usually help break the monotony.

I have mates in the UK who claim that I'm having the life of riley over here away from the stress of family life and 'sitting there getting pissed playing COD and making music' but honestly at times it's felt like living in a nicely furnished prison cell for months on end.

I can't wait to go back into the office regularly.
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I agree massively with this - we were doing a week into the office and a week out late last year as things started to open up and I then realised how much I prefer working in the office to working alone at home. Although technically I have everything I need to WFH, the fact that I live away from my family here in the week (they're in UK) and on my own every evening anyway means that also WFH on my own all day gets very lonely. This is exacebated in lockdown as usually the weekly meet-ups with the other ex-pat guys from work for a beer are stopped which usually help break the monotony.

I have mates in the UK who claim that I'm having the life of riley over here away from the stress of family life and 'sitting there getting pissed playing COD and making music' but honestly at times it's felt like living in a nicely furnished prison cell for months on end.

I can't wait to go back into the office regularly.
Personally I think it is very mentally damaging (at least for some people) to work in their living space.

Even as a student, I had a strict separation between work and my personal space.
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Old 07.01.2021, 17:25
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My wife doesn't want me to work from home.

Tom
I try not to get my wife involved in my business related decisions.

She makes delicious lunch and coffee in home office though.
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Today the parlament is meeting to finalize new measures of which work from home is again one of them. Perhaps wait and see and after that do talk about concerns with regards to vulnerable household members.
I agree with this advice. I believe new measures will be announced on the 20th. One of them might be mandatory WFH. It would be a bit hasty, especially for a young person just starting their career, to leave their job or get into a confrontation over a situation which may become redundant in 2 weeks.
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Re: Employer insists on working from the office

I love a mix of office and working from home not during pandemic times. While I understand some of you still want to go into the office right now, it is the selfish thing to do.

There have been several cases transmitted in my spotlessly clean (scrubbed all day by a cleaning staff) office, where we are also required to wear masks. If some people still come in, others feel pressured to as well. The best thing to do right now, is for everyone to make the necessary sacrifice & stay at home for a couple of months, so we can get the numbers down. It isn't asking the world of you...it is actually asking very little to request that you please stay home and work in your pyjamas. Without the mandate, short sighted bosses continue to insist their employees come into the office and cases will still needlessly spread.

My mental health is certainly suffering (battled with depression my entire life) due to isolation, but it would suffer much more if I harmed someone else by spreading the virus for no good reason, got sick myself or I lost someone I loved.
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Re: Employer insists on working from the office

So now that WFH will be mandatory, what are the consequences for employees or employers and companies not following the rules? I can’t seem to find the answer in the BAG site.
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Old 14.01.2021, 11:34
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So now that WFH will be mandatory, what are the consequences for employees or employers and companies not following the rules? I can’t seem to find the answer in the BAG site.
The penalty for companies breaching the rules is defined in the original law - I can't remember exactly but it was something like a 10k fine.
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Old 14.01.2021, 11:56
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Re: Employer insists on working from the office

The company I work for still hasn´t reacted to yesterday´s news...... they just said they will comment soon.

Probably trying to find another loophole to avoid having everyone working from home (it is perfectly easy for all employees though).
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Personally I think it is very mentally damaging (at least for some people) to work in their living space.

Even as a student, I had a strict separation between work and my personal space.

Much as I'd love to that's not an option in the 1.5 apartment which I rent
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The company I work for still hasn´t reacted to yesterday´s news...... they just said they will comment soon.

Probably trying to find another loophole to avoid having everyone working from home (it is perfectly easy for all employees though).
If you weren't an accountant of some sort I would think we're in the same company.
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While I understand some of you still want to go into the office right now, it is the selfish thing to do.
Alas, WFH is rarely possible, especially at the moment where I need several cabinets of equipment that will not fit at home, and that at least one other person also needs to use.

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