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Registering as a Doctor in Switzerland Post-Brexit

Hi! I'm a British doctor who is hoping to move to Switzerland in the summer but the situation with registering as a doctor coming from the UK seems to have got increasingly difficult. I read somewhere on the mebeko website that you have to be married to an EU citizen AND have worked 3 of the last 5 years, neither of which apply to me, I've only been qualified two years.

My partner has a diplomatic post in Switzerland so I can live there with her no problem, but it's just registering as a doctor and securing a job which are the issues and I don't want to give up my vocation!

Is anyone in a similar position and knows what I have to do to register or if there's any way round that process? I'm aware of the language requirements and am working on that, it's just the other requirements and the whole process that aren't very clear to me.

There's a lot of great advice on this forum from before Brexit but I'd really like some up-to-date help if anyone is able!
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Old 09.01.2021, 16:27
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Re: Registering as a Doctor in Switzerland Post-Brexit

Check out the website from the Swiss Red Cross and search for a thread made by user Drremobond007 (I think), who went through the procedure as a non EU MD
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Old 09.01.2021, 16:29
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Re: Registering as a Doctor in Switzerland Post-Brexit

Are you married?

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My partner has a diplomatic post in Switzerland so I can live there with her no problem, but it's just registering as a doctor and securing a job which are the issues and I don't want to give up my vocation!
Not necessarily, if you are not married to your partner, as a Non-EU citizen you cannot just move here or work here. As a Non-EU citizen, your employer would have to prove that they cannot find a CH/EU citizen to fill the post (then when you have a job and permit approved you can move here) .... as fairly newly qualified that's unlikely I'd think. There's a thread on here about registration if anyone can find it.

Are you really going to have your language up to Doctor fluency by summer?

If your partner's position isn't long term, maybe it would be better to both fly back and forward between London/CH on your days off? Plenty of flights in normal times.
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Re: Registering as a Doctor in Switzerland Post-Brexit

Thanks for your replies!
Firstly, my right to live in Switzerland under my partner's diplomatic status is all arranged, please don't worry about that. Also, my language is coming on fine, I already speak pretty good French and am taking some extra lessons before sitting the exams.

I saw Drremobond007's great summary before, it just seems like the requirements have changed recently so I was interested to hear if anyone has any updates on the situation in 2021! Particularly the requirement to be married to/be an EU citizen AND to have practiced 3 of the last 5 years.

This is verbatim (translated) from the MEBEKO document re recognising foreign diplomas from outside the EU:

2. Conditions for indirect recognition
You must meet the following conditions:
• You or your spouse have Swiss nationality or that of an EU / EFTA state.
• Your diploma has been recognized by an EU / EFTA state.
• You justify a clinical professional experience of at least 3 years in the last 5
years in Switzerland and / or in the state which recognized your diploma.

Although my degree was issued by an EU state (UK was at the time) so maybe this means I don't have to fulfil these categories?
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Re: Registering as a Doctor in Switzerland Post-Brexit

actually re-reading Drremobond007's thread they do mention the 3 years work thing, which I thought was new, so maybe it's just that we've left the EU that's changed!

Would be interesting to know whether my degree obtained within the EU (UK in 2019) still counts as such and whether any UK-Switzerland agreements on degree recognition are in the pipeline...
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Re: Registering as a Doctor in Switzerland Post-Brexit

Probably best to email them. Contact email address here https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...itsberufe.html

MEBEKO-Ausbildung@bag.admin.ch
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Re: Registering as a Doctor in Switzerland Post-Brexit

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2. Conditions for indirect recognition
You must meet the following conditions:
• You or your spouse have Swiss nationality or that of an EU / EFTA state.
• Your diploma has been recognized by an EU / EFTA state.
• You justify a clinical professional experience of at least 3 years in the last 5
years in Switzerland and / or in the state which recognized your diploma.
I’d say it’s a bit early to say how it will work out. While the French speaking part can be a little be flexible, this is a rule based society and they tend to follow the rules. So you should probably assume they will follow the rules and anything else is a bonus.
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Thanks for your replies!
Firstly, my right to live in Switzerland under my partner's diplomatic status is all arranged, please don't worry about that.
However, if you want to work here you must have a Swiss permit and not a diplomatic one. As is the case with any dependent on a diplomatic permit, once they get a non-NGO job here they have to give up the diplomatic permit and would get an L or B depending on the job. Which puts you right back into the non-EU hiring criteria situation. Diplomatic permits only apply to diplomatic employment.

In the same way someone who has a Swiss permit and wants to work at an NGO would have to give up their Swiss permit for a diplomatic one.

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Re: Registering as a Doctor in Switzerland Post-Brexit

Also stay permit and work permit are different
So living here may be "secured" via your partner's diplomatic permit but this does not automatically allow you to work.
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Re: Registering as a Doctor in Switzerland Post-Brexit

If it is Ci permit, then you can work:

https://www.eda.admin.ch/missions/mi...ily-staff.html

However, it says family members, not sure if partner counts officially.

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So living here may be "secured" via your partner's diplomatic permit but this does not automatically allow you to work.
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Old 11.01.2021, 14:35
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If it is Ci permit, then you can work:

https://www.eda.admin.ch/missions/mi...ily-staff.html

However, it says family members, not sure if partner counts officially.
Ci Permit is issued when a job is found and the company applies for it. From your link:

A special permit, named "Ci" permit, will be issued for this purpose by the cantonal authority concerned (see details below) upon the presentation of a work contract, a contract proposition or a declaration stating the desire to take up an independent activity.

Much easier but many companies will not know it etc so not a given and as you said, only for family members so partners may not count.
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Re: Registering as a Doctor in Switzerland Post-Brexit

It further clarifies that you can get attestation to make things easier with potential employers:


To make it easier for family members to approach employers when seeking employment, the Swiss Mission provide an attestation to those interested. This document entitled Attestation concerning the issuance of an authorisation for a residence permit with gainful employment ("Ci" permit) attests to the fact that these persons are not subject to:

* quotas on foreign labour,
* the principle of priority recruitment zones,
* regulations governing the labour market, namely the principles of priority for resident employees and of prior control of working and payment conditions.

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Ci Permit is issued when a job is found and the company applies for it. From your link:

A special permit, named "Ci" permit, will be issued for this purpose by the cantonal authority concerned (see details below) upon the presentation of a work contract, a contract proposition or a declaration stating the desire to take up an independent activity.

Much easier but many companies will not know it etc so not a given and as you said, only for family members so partners may not count.
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It further clarifies that you can get attestation to make things easier with potential employers:


To make it easier for family members to approach employers when seeking employment, the Swiss Mission provide an attestation to those interested. This document entitled Attestation concerning the issuance of an authorisation for a residence permit with gainful employment ("Ci" permit) attests to the fact that these persons are not subject to:

* quotas on foreign labour,
* the principle of priority recruitment zones,
* regulations governing the labour market, namely the principles of priority for resident employees and of prior control of working and payment conditions.
Yep, read that too. Which is a clear indication that potential employers do not know about this
Reality of the work market is that most employers will take a look at CV and nationality and may not be aware & ask for said attestation. recruiters spend so short time on each CV so this will definitely be an obstacle.
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True. Furthermore, Ci permit is tied to a main holder of CdL, therefore potential employer might not want to deal with the one having Ci as it can vanish quickly

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Yep, read that too. Which is a clear indication that potential employers do not know about this
Reality of the work market is that most employers will take a look at CV and nationality and may not be aware & ask for said attestation. recruiters spend so short time on each CV so this will definitely be an obstacle.
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Re: Registering as a Doctor in Switzerland Post-Brexit

Hey HIC

I realise that you posted this a little over a month ago now but just stumbled upon your post. I should be able to help you with some info but I have some good and bad news with regards to your post.

I'm also a UK citizen and UK doctor who is looking to relocate to Switzerland to live with my fiancé in the French part so know quite a lot about the recognition process and applying for jobs

The good news:
1. If you have a UK medicine degree (which I assume you do), you can still get your degree recognised by MEBEKO (need this anyway before even thinking of applying for work in hospitals) even after Brexit up until 2024, but I would strongly recommend you do it as soon as possible. https://www.sbfi.admin.ch/sbfi/en/ho...ns/brexit.html.

Got my MEBEKO registration in August last year just in time before brexit and just after receiving my full GMC license (I'm currently F2 level)

2. If you don't have a UK medicine degree but EU citizenship you can get the degree recognised indirectly as mentioned in the thread previously.

Now for the not so good news:
1. Even if your partner has a Ci permit, if you are not married, Swiss and EU applicants will take priority over you, unless you have EU citizenship. As you've only been qualified/practising for 2 years you unfortunately won't be on the priority list as there are always loads of junior doctors applying for residency in Switzerland. The French part is smaller than the German which makes it quite difficult to secure a job straight away. So unless you are married to your partner or have EU citizenship, the hospital won't be able to grant you a work permit even if they want to hire you because Swiss and EU applicants take priority over non-EUs.

2. Jobs in the French part (probably around the same in German part although you might have some leeway), are given 12-18, sometimes 24 months in advance. So realistically, even if you apply now, the earliest you can get a job, also depending on specialty, (gen med and surgery are over subscribed but you might find a job in psych), is probably May 2022 (there are 2 intakes per year for new doctors, May and November), so if you don't mind waiting then that's fine

3. I read that you're working on your French, just bear in mind hospitals need at least B2 proficiency and proof of that if it's not your mothertongue. I can explain how to apply to the hospitals in more detail if you wish, but bear in mind the interview will be in the local language, so you'll have to be able to sell yourself, converse properly with the consultant and sometimes answer medical questions as they might want to test your knowledge.


To be able to work in Switzerland as a foreigner I think takes a lot of grit and you really have to take it to the next level. But don't be discouraged it is definitely possible but not easy. I'm in the midst of it all at the moment and I can say Brexit has been a real pain (got the job but the hospital couldnt give me the permit because thank you Brexit, I'm now having to get married a bit earlier than what I wanted otherwise there's no way I can get a working permit in Switzerland!) Guess that quality of life comes with a price


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2. Jobs in the French part (probably around the same in German part although you might have some leeway), are given 12-18, sometimes 24 months in advance. So realistically, even if you apply now, the earliest you can get a job, also depending on specialty, (gen med and surgery are over subscribed but you might find a job in psych), is probably May 2022 (there are 2 intakes per year for new doctors, May and November), so if you don't mind waiting then that's fine
thanks for your message! Regarding this section, where do you find those jobs/intakes you mention? I've been looking directly on the hospital website jobs boards and there seem to be plenty with ASAP start dates which I would qualify for.
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Re: Registering as a Doctor in Switzerland Post-Brexit

Hey that's good to hear! Last time I checked was probably about a month or so ago and even before that I couldn't really find jobs that started this year! But I was looking at gen med and gen surg in the French part, so if you're looking at psych for example there should be plenty!

On which hospital websites have you been able to find jobs and in which specialty out of curiosity?
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Re websites I was looking on medicus, asmav and the individual hospital websites as well, although most of my applications were spontaneous ones
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Re: Registering as a Doctor in Switzerland Post-Brexit

Hi, does the Brexit agreement for UK doctors going to Switzerland also apply if you want to specialise in Switzerland? Ie to move there after F1?
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