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UK job position for a CH resident - how/what?

Dear all,

Maybe someone in this situation could guide me.

I am looking to take up a part-time job (50%, 2.5 days/week) with a UK limited company (i.e. registered in UK) working remotely from CH. Would like to know,

1) if this is allowed? (I am UK citizen with a C-permit)

2) I would need to file my taxes in CH, correct?

3) My employer would be making NI deductions before paying me monthly salary in my UK Bank account. Would I also need to make social contributions (AHV/AVS/ALV/IV etc.) in CH?

4) Do I need to take any additional insurances for ‘anything else’ in CH to fulfil my role without leading any issues to my tax situation or residence status?

5) Anything else I should keep in mind before accepting the role ?

Thank you
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Re: UK job position for a CH resident - how/what?

Would this 50% job for the UK company be your only employment? Or are you also employed in Switzerland?

Are you married to a person living and working in Switzerland?

I surmise that it would be easier to organise things if your new UK job were seen as being "in addition to" whatever you (and your spouse, if any) ordinarily do in Switzerland, so that all your Swiss insurances and cover can continue just the same.
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Re: UK job position for a CH resident - how/what?

My neighbor, Swiss, is working remotely for a UK company. She said it's super easy, just invoice them every month. I don't know the details, but I would guess it should be the same situation for permit C holders.

I may ask her on a next occasion about the details, but if I remember correctly, I asked if she's running one-man-company or something similar and she said no, she's just sending invoices, a.k.a. freelancing.
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3) My employer would be making NI deductions before paying me monthly salary in my UK Bank account. Would I also need to make social contributions (AHV/AVS/ALV/IV etc.) in CH?
As just mentioned, can your U.K. employer not pay you as a freelancer with no deductions? You invoice them, they deduct nothing, you pay all deductions and taxes in CH.
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Would this 50% job for the UK company be your only employment? Or are you also employed in Switzerland?

Are you married to a person living and working in Switzerland?

I surmise that it would be easier to organise things if your new UK job were seen as being "in addition to" whatever you (and your spouse, if any) ordinarily do in Switzerland, so that all your Swiss insurances and cover can continue just the same.

Thanks. This would be my only employment as I do not have any other job currently here in CH.
My partner has a full time job here and we have been filing our joint taxes each year.

I would (when things get better) need to travel to UK say only once a month for 1-2 days, so don’t think I will fall under UK taxation laws (of being there longer than 183 days/year). But not sure if my NI deductions (on GBP 14K p.a.) would happen there.

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My neighbor, Swiss, is working remotely for a UK company. She said it's super easy, just invoice them every month. I don't know the details, but I would guess it should be the same situation for permit C holders.

I may ask her on a next occasion about the details, but if I remember correctly, I asked if she's running one-man-company or something similar and she said no, she's just sending invoices, a.k.a. freelancing.

Thank you. Would be great to know how your Swiss neighbour does. I understood I need to have some sort of legal entity to be able to send an invoice to someone, no? Setting up a CH based company I hear is a hassle. Moreover I am not sure if the employer would be ready with that arrangement.

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As just mentioned, can your U.K. employer not pay you as a freelancer with no deductions? You invoice them, they deduct nothing, you pay all deductions and taxes in CH.
Thank you. This is something I am not sure if the employer would be ready to support me with. I fear they shouldn’t withdraw the ‘hard to find’ position I am (almost) about to get. Although the income from this position would barely buy us 2 some CH burgers/month but the work experience would be useful to me in future to find something locally, therefore want to be flexible as much as possible (of course within legal limits etc.). Please correct me if I am missing something?

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... so don’t think I will fall under UK taxation laws (of being there longer than 183 days/year).
I recommend you read the current rules on tax residency, it is not that simple any more.

https://www.gov.uk/tax-foreign-income/residence

Your case would fit neither the automatically resident nor the automatically non-resident case - you need to work through the Statutory Residence Test to be sure of your situation https://www.gov.uk/government/public...dence-test-srt
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Re: UK job position for a CH resident - how/what?

Ask the UK company to pay you gross with no deductions.

Register as self-employed with your Swiss tax office (Search 'Freelancing here on EF)

Complete Hilfsbatt A on your tax return and deduct travelling expenses, home office, computer, phone etc. and Swiss social deductions, which will be sent to you when the tax office informs the Swiss authorities...
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Re: UK job position for a CH resident - how/what?

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Dear all,

Maybe someone in this situation could guide me.

I am looking to take up a part-time job (50%, 2.5 days/week) with a UK limited company (i.e. registered in UK) working remotely from CH. Would like to know,

1) if this is allowed? (I am UK citizen with a C-permit)

2) I would need to file my taxes in CH, correct?

3) My employer would be making NI deductions before paying me monthly salary in my UK Bank account. Would I also need to make social contributions (AHV/AVS/ALV/IV etc.) in CH?

4) Do I need to take any additional insurances for ‘anything else’ in CH to fulfil my role without leading any issues to my tax situation or residence status?

5) Anything else I should keep in mind before accepting the role ?

Thank you
IMV ANOBAG is what you need.

1. Can't think of any reason why not. Although when you say partner, are you married/registered partnership? If not, could complicate things.

2. Yes.

3. UK employer should pay gross without deductions

4. You should register as ANOBAG with the SVA (employee without an employer liable to Swiss social security i.e. foreign employer). You then pay both employer's and employee's contributions. Plenty of info if you search.
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Re: UK job position for a CH resident - how/what?

Best to call local (CH) tax authorities and SVA and ask. We have a case where it is an additional income so not an identical case. We pay all the deductions in the UK and the extra tax difference to CH (our CH tax margin is higher than the UK one so there is extra tax due in CH). I did talk to the local ta authorities to check what we should do.

I don't think you need to pay here anything extra except for the accident insurance. But then you may not be insured whereas you could.
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Re: UK job position for a CH resident - how/what?

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Dear all,

Maybe someone in this situation could guide me.

I am looking to take up a part-time job (50%, 2.5 days/week) with a UK limited company (i.e. registered in UK) working remotely from CH. Would like to know,

1) if this is allowed? (I am UK citizen with a C-permit)
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2) I would need to file my taxes in CH, correct?
Correct. With few exceptions, you are not liable for tax in the UK..

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3) My employer would be making NI deductions before paying me monthly salary in my UK Bank account. Would I also need to make social contributions (AHV/AVS/ALV/IV etc.) in CH?
As you are not employed in the UK you should not be paying any NI, nor should your employer. They should remit you the gross amount + the employers NI contribution.
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4) Do I need to take any additional insurances for ‘anything else’ in CH to fulfil my role without leading any issues to my tax situation or residence status?
No
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5) Anything else I should keep in mind before accepting the role ?
Register with ANOBAG.

TL;DR You must pay taxes in the countries in which you are tax resident. At least as far as the UK and Switzerland are concerned, the location of your employer is irrelevant.
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Re: UK job position for a CH resident - how/what?

As for my neighbor goes, we are not in any particular relation except normal corridor chats and occasional aperos held in my neighborhood, but I've met her recently and we exchanged a quick chat. She said that she's freelancing for over 5 years now. She always used a tax advisor to make her taxes, likewise everything related to the freelancing was consulted with the tax adviser as well. She doesn't remember doing any extra step but maybe she or her tax advisor sent some papers to the tax authorities. Nowadays she just invoice her customer once a month and pay the deductions here using a simple one-click software.
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Re: UK job position for a CH resident - how/what?

I have a similar question to this thread. I'm trying to check out a situation where a freelancer works through a UK service company for a non-Swiss client.

Freelancer resides in Switzerland on a C-Permit, invoices the UK company via a Swiss payroll company, which takes care of AHV etc and avoids having to register as self employed. Freelancing is temporary, i.e. he would take a good Swiss job as soon as one came up.

Would the Swiss authorities consider the employment income earned at the time the work is carried out for the client by the UK company, or when the freelancer living in Switzerland invoices the UK company.

It might be advantageous to smooth the income a bit, for example by letting cash build up in the UK company. The UK company might have to bear some costs in the future. However, if this crossed a year-end, would the Swiss authorities consider the invoices of the UK company to its client as undeclared worldwide employment income?

UK company is owned by a UK-resident shareholder, but this is its only business activity.
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