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Hi all, I have a hypothetical RAV question about re-registering for the RAV after becoming unemployed for a 2nd time while still under the validity period of the initial Rahmenfrist.

On 1st Jan 2020 I registered for the RAV after working full-time for the previous 5 years so well within the 24 month contribution period. So I am eligible for 400 days of RAV payments. Last year the Swiss government has added an extra 6 months of contributions to those unemployed between March and September due to COVID, and this year they have given an additional 3 months for the same reason. This brings the end date of my Rahmenfrist to 30 Sep 2022 I think.

However, I was applying for jobs and attending interviews all last year. It was hard during 2020 with COVID and everyone working from home to find a job in my field. But now I have been offered a permanent position after 14 months on the RAV., to start on 1st March.

I think the next step is to tell my RAV advisor, say I will no longer be unemployed on the March monthly form, de-register from the RAV etc. I hope I will succeed in this new position however it is more senior than what I am used to and I have my worries. If, for whatever reason they decide I am not the right employee for the role and the new employer sends me on my way during my probationary period etc., I would like to know if I still have a safety net with regards to re-registering for the RAV should this new job not work out.

Let's say I work from 1st Mar to 31st May and then on my 1st day of unemployment I re-register for the RAV on 1st June, do they re-calculate the eligibilty requirements for the contribution period (worked 12 months in the previous 24 months) to continue with the initial Rahmenfrist?

As now, if I were to re-register for the RAV a 2nd time, I will have not worked 12 months in the previous 24 months (01Jun19-31Dec19, 01Mar21-31May21). I will have only worked 10 months in this hypothetical scenario. Would I not be eligible a 2nd time to receive any RAV support?

Or would they continue on my initial Rahmenfrist potentially until the original expiry date of 30 Sep 2022?

I guess I am missing something? It doesn't make sense that a 3 month work assignment that didn't work out would make me ineligible to re-register with the RAV a 2nd time vs not finding a job to begin with and claiming potentially another 19 months of payments?
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Re: RAV re-registering confusion

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As far as I know, your 3rd option is the correct one. You could continue to claim unemployment until 30th September 2022.
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Re: RAV re-registering confusion

Best to check with the RAV. You could ask them to continue to keep the Rahmenfrist open while you pass the probation period.

I would say congratulations on the new job and think positively
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Re: RAV re-registering confusion

I was in exact same situation in October 2020. I signed the contract with the new company for six months and asked my RAV adviser what would theoretically happen if I lost the job after six months without possibility of extension. I was told that due to my contract length and the new salary quote, I couldn’t do the Zwischenverdienst and automatically would be deregistered from RAV. However, in unlikely case that my contract wouldn’t have been extended for some unpredictable reasons and if I had found myself out of job again, all needed would be to give him a call and the old Rahmenfrist would have run again uninterrupted until my specified by the unemployed insurance expiry date.

It’s always good to speak to your RAV Berater and openly voice the concerns regarding uncertain times, limited contracts and etc, so that you show that you take your employment chances seriously but at the same time want to protect yourself financially as well.
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Re: RAV re-registering confusion

Thanks everyone for the answers, it sounds like I would be covered if things go South but I will bring it up with my berater anyway to clarify the next time we chat
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Best to check with the RAV. You could ask them to continue to keep the Rahmenfrist open while you pass the probation period.

I would say congratulations on the new job and think positively
The rahemnfrist never closes, it last 2 years end of story,
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Last year the Swiss government has added an extra 6 months of contributions to those unemployed between March and September due to COVID, and this year they have given an additional 3 months for the same reason. This brings the end date of my Rahmenfrist to 30 Sep 2022 I think.
I must have missed that. When did they announce the three extra months for this year?
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I must have missed that. When did they announce the three extra months for this year?
I was told in a translated whatsapp message that summarized the Federal council meeting on 27th January but I have not yet seen documentation on it. After going through the video of the press conference on Youtube I think it is initially brought up as a question at 36:39 (using auto-translate of French subtitles) , and then the subtitles disappear again until it seems to be confirmed at 38:38 "This measure an additional maximum of 66 daily allowances then retrospectively at first of March comes into effect..."

I am not sure, I have not yet received a letter confirming like last year but this is very fresh information

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U182...ture=emb_logon on it.
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I hope I will succeed in this new position however it is more senior than what I am used to and I have my worries.
Successful people often bite off more than they can chew and learn how to chew it afterwards.

Think positive and best of luck!
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I was told in a translated whatsapp message that summarized the Federal council meeting on 27th January but I have not yet seen documentation on it. After going through the video of the press conference on Youtube I think it is initially brought up as a question at 36:39 (using auto-translate of French subtitles) , and then the subtitles disappear again until it seems to be confirmed at 38:38 "This measure an additional maximum of 66 daily allowances then retrospectively at first of March comes into effect..."

I am not sure, I have not yet received a letter confirming like last year but this is very fresh information

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U182...ture=emb_logon on it.
Thanks for that. I understood from the video that this requires a change to legislation which will take place in the March session of parliament. It will only become official after that and will probably be communicated after that.
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Re: RAV re-registering confusion

Similar question to the OP.


I have a 'rahmenfrist' open from I think May 2020. I got work in July and only officially used '55 days' of my insured days - and it was also extended to 2.5 years because of covid so I have a lot of days.


I actually applied for lots of jobs and have a new job which is lower hours and salary than my insurance, but I prefer not to still look for more work as it is 'enough' for me...and I am sure I can get more work without needing RAV / Insurance to top up my salary...


If I actually apply then refuse to complete the job hunting documents for the second month (I did it for the first month, got the new job offer plus a lots of casual hours in the second month)..... can I opt out and withdraw from the insurance without consequence ?


What consequence (other than no payment) is there if I withdraw my application retrospectively (eg. stop looking for work second week may, inform them end of third week of may ?)....



As I had 5! employers in the past two years, to complete the insurance documentation for end of May would require 5 x statements of all income for the period from when they stopped paying me, until now... plus I would need to demonstrate that I applied for 10+ more jobs for May (which I could scramble around with but have more important things to do right now with my actual paid job offer and being 'work ready' for the permanent job starting 1 June...


As my new job offer is lower salary and less hours than my insured amount, I could keep working with RAV and claiming insurance, for the foreseeable future, but actually the new job is my 'dream job' in terms of work-life balance and fitting my skills set...



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Hi all, I have a hypothetical RAV question about re-registering for the RAV after becoming unemployed for a 2nd time while still under the validity period of the initial Rahmenfrist.

On 1st Jan 2020 I registered for the RAV after working full-time for the previous 5 years so well within the 24 month contribution period. So I am eligible for 400 days of RAV payments. Last year the Swiss government has added an extra 6 months of contributions to those unemployed between March and September due to COVID, and this year they have given an additional 3 months for the same reason. This brings the end date of my Rahmenfrist to 30 Sep 2022 I think.

However, I was applying for jobs and attending interviews all last year. It was hard during 2020 with COVID and everyone working from home to find a job in my field. But now I have been offered a permanent position after 14 months on the RAV., to start on 1st March.

I think the next step is to tell my RAV advisor, say I will no longer be unemployed on the March monthly form, de-register from the RAV etc. I hope I will succeed in this new position however it is more senior than what I am used to and I have my worries. If, for whatever reason they decide I am not the right employee for the role and the new employer sends me on my way during my probationary period etc., I would like to know if I still have a safety net with regards to re-registering for the RAV should this new job not work out.

Let's say I work from 1st Mar to 31st May and then on my 1st day of unemployment I re-register for the RAV on 1st June, do they re-calculate the eligibilty requirements for the contribution period (worked 12 months in the previous 24 months) to continue with the initial Rahmenfrist?

As now, if I were to re-register for the RAV a 2nd time, I will have not worked 12 months in the previous 24 months (01Jun19-31Dec19, 01Mar21-31May21). I will have only worked 10 months in this hypothetical scenario. Would I not be eligible a 2nd time to receive any RAV support?

Or would they continue on my initial Rahmenfrist potentially until the original expiry date of 30 Sep 2022?

I guess I am missing something? It doesn't make sense that a 3 month work assignment that didn't work out would make me ineligible to re-register with the RAV a 2nd time vs not finding a job to begin with and claiming potentially another 19 months of payments?
There is never a recalculation. You get what you were entitled to when the rahemnfrist started, however the term would increase. Look at your last RAV payment slip for details.
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