Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Employment  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #181  
Old 19.02.2021, 08:53
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 21,376
Groaned at 461 Times in 352 Posts
Thanked 23,091 Times in 11,824 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

Quote:
View Post
30-34 is the norm in UK state schools. Groups of 4-16 would be a game changer. That's the real reason private schools do so well.
Indeed & the only reason people pay. The other advantage is the class is likely to be more motivated to learn & truancy was non existent.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank fatmanfilms for this useful post:
  #182  
Old 19.02.2021, 13:06
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Up there over the fog
Posts: 3,498
Groaned at 411 Times in 307 Posts
Thanked 3,590 Times in 1,859 Posts
JackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

Quote:
View Post
30-34 is the norm in UK state schools. Groups of 4-16 would be a game changer. That's the real reason private schools do so well.

And clearly, unless someone has been a student or teacher in this sort of scenario- they really should not comment on State Edu in the UK- where as well as above numbers, specials needs of every description are also included, with but often without support.

I remember visiting my parents years back when I was still teaching in the UK- and met up with an old school friend who was a primary school teacher here. Term was about to start and she was really annoyed. She told me she would have a huge class that year, with one child with sight impairment for whom she would have to adjust teaching material, etc. She had more than 20 years experience by then, and was a great teacher, and very appreciated by her pupils. so I asked, how many will you have? You won't believe me, she replied, I shall have 18

I laughed and laughed, and laughed some more- and told her we had classes of over 30, with many other languages and multiple special needs. She was really cross with me and told me she just didn't believe me- as it would be totally impossible to teach in such conditions. I did invite here to come and join and observe one of our cluster primary schools- but she never did.

In my last school, I mainly taught 6th Formers (age 16-18ish) with classes of 12, but GCSE classes (14-15) were often over 30 in top sets (most able) in an attempt to have slightly smaller classes for those in difficulty (be it disruptive or other special needs).
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank JackieH for this useful post:
  #183  
Old 19.02.2021, 14:04
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Frick, Aargau
Posts: 2,876
Groaned at 62 Times in 50 Posts
Thanked 4,070 Times in 1,901 Posts
HickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

Quote:
View Post
Where I teach (800+ Students), about 20% of the classes have interactive white boards. Class sizes vary from 17 to 26 students per class.

Interactive white boards are far from the norm in Vaud public school, but we’re slowly getting there.
They say Switzerland is 20 years n the past I'm turning 33 this year, and we had them when I was in school.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank HickvonFrick for this useful post:
  #184  
Old 19.02.2021, 14:14
MusicChick's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: La Cote
Posts: 17,488
Groaned at 414 Times in 275 Posts
Thanked 20,435 Times in 10,578 Posts
MusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

What's better - a class of 18 and no interractive board or a class of 34 with an interractive board?
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank MusicChick for this useful post:
  #185  
Old 19.02.2021, 14:25
Belgianmum's Avatar
Roastbeef & Yorkshire mod
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Neuchâtel
Posts: 13,828
Groaned at 267 Times in 226 Posts
Thanked 23,513 Times in 9,604 Posts
Belgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

I remember one year my nephew was in a class of 45 in primary school. One teacher and a teaching assistant helping out some of the time.
That’s a ridiculous number to have in a single class.

My family were absolutely amazed by the small class sizes my son had in both Belgium and Switzerland. There were never more than 20 in any of his classes.

I’ve just looked at some class photos from my time in primary school in the UK and the class size ranges from 28 ( there were a few absent from that photo) to 38.


Quote:
View Post
What's better - a class of 18 and no interractive board or a class of 34 with an interractive board?
In my opinion the former is best.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Belgianmum for this useful post:
  #186  
Old 19.02.2021, 15:42
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Here
Posts: 512
Groaned at 59 Times in 49 Posts
Thanked 1,477 Times in 524 Posts
RufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

Quote:
View Post
What's better - a class of 18 and no interractive board or a class of 34 with an interractive board?
Smaller classes. Always.

And no, FMF, private schools tend to mean that parents are more motivated - kids not so much. There are more expensive drug problems though and at least all this kids are well-equipped and well fed.

My record class size was 63 for a revision week from hell when those In Charge forgot that two of my dept had just started maternity leave. We had to have classes in the school library with lots of folk sitting on the floor.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank RufusB for this useful post:
  #187  
Old 19.02.2021, 15:43
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Here
Posts: 512
Groaned at 59 Times in 49 Posts
Thanked 1,477 Times in 524 Posts
RufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

Quote:
View Post
I remember one year my nephew was in a class of 45 in primary school. One teacher and a teaching assistant helping out some of the time.
That’s a ridiculous number to have in a single class.

My family were absolutely amazed by the small class sizes my son had in both Belgium and Switzerland. There were never more than 20 in any of his classes.

I’ve just looked at some class photos from my time in primary school in the UK and the class size ranges from 28 ( there were a few absent from that photo) to 38.




In my opinion the former is best.

Thankfully infant classes are capped at 30 now. I remember classes of 38 or so in secondary school. Madness.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank RufusB for this useful post:
  #188  
Old 19.02.2021, 15:46
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Up there over the fog
Posts: 3,498
Groaned at 411 Times in 307 Posts
Thanked 3,590 Times in 1,859 Posts
JackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

Quote:
View Post
What's better - a class of 18 and no interractive board or a class of 34 with an interractive board?
a class of 18 for sure...

but we had no choice, it was 34 + NO interactive whiteboard, ah !
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank JackieH for this useful post:
  #189  
Old 19.02.2021, 15:47
Member
 
Join Date: May 2020
Location: CH
Posts: 158
Groaned at 4 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 304 Times in 122 Posts
missenglish has a reputation beyond reputemissenglish has a reputation beyond reputemissenglish has a reputation beyond reputemissenglish has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

Quote:
View Post
I went to private Schools in the UK, both Prep & Secondary, classed varied from 4 - 16. (4 was remedial English, others went from 6) When I pay for Ski tuition it's usually 6 in a group, another company has a max of 8, 26 would be hopeless.
That explains a lot Are you familiar with the Seven Up series?

(Incidentally, class sizes in the upper grades of our local public primary school are around 16. Smaller than elsewhere because there are many children who do not speak Swiss German or German at home.)
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank missenglish for this useful post:
  #190  
Old 19.02.2021, 15:52
Member
 
Join Date: May 2020
Location: CH
Posts: 158
Groaned at 4 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 304 Times in 122 Posts
missenglish has a reputation beyond reputemissenglish has a reputation beyond reputemissenglish has a reputation beyond reputemissenglish has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

Quote:
View Post
And no, FMF, private schools tend to mean that parents are more motivated - kids not so much. There are more expensive drug problems though and at least all this kids are well-equipped and well fed.
Amen to that! Public schools are, or used to be, one of the foundations of Swiss democracy. I hate to see that changing. In part, it‘s due to expat parents who badly want their children to get a Matura because where they come from, almost everybody does. I have no idea how to solve this discrepancy without somebody getting hurt - usually the kids.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank missenglish for this useful post:
  #191  
Old 19.02.2021, 15:56
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Here
Posts: 512
Groaned at 59 Times in 49 Posts
Thanked 1,477 Times in 524 Posts
RufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

Quote:
View Post
a class of 18 for sure...

but we had no choice, it was 34 + NO interactive whiteboard, ah !
And bloody chalk dust everywhere. I do like a normal whiteboard though they are a bugger to keep clean and you can guarantee the person who just borrowed your classroom used a permanent marker!
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank RufusB for this useful post:
  #192  
Old 19.02.2021, 16:08
Elu Elu is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Olten
Posts: 601
Groaned at 22 Times in 21 Posts
Thanked 1,159 Times in 488 Posts
Elu has a reputation beyond reputeElu has a reputation beyond reputeElu has a reputation beyond reputeElu has a reputation beyond reputeElu has a reputation beyond reputeElu has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

Quote:
View Post
What's better - a class of 18 and no interractive board or a class of 34 with an interractive board?
Oh I would never give away my chalk board
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Elu for this useful post:
  #193  
Old 19.02.2021, 16:24
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Up there over the fog
Posts: 3,498
Groaned at 411 Times in 307 Posts
Thanked 3,590 Times in 1,859 Posts
JackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

I started teaching late, in 1982. Projectors and acetates were all the rage, lol. On a trolley so you could take it from classroom to classroom, lol. And the roll around blackboards ...

And oh the joys of multicoloured banda worksheets- hand-made - to change colour you had to make sure it all lined up properly. And fighting to get to the single machine in time- had to get to school at least 30 mins early to make sure.

When whiteboards arrived, not interactive, lol - it was like Christmas (but as Rufus says... someone always nicked the pens or used permanent!).

But I loved the smell of alcohol ... for the banda machine.
Reply With Quote
  #194  
Old 19.02.2021, 16:46
Dinivan's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Geneva
Posts: 207
Groaned at 35 Times in 24 Posts
Thanked 254 Times in 132 Posts
Dinivan is considered knowledgeableDinivan is considered knowledgeableDinivan is considered knowledgeable
Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

Quote:
View Post
Personally, I don't like the digitalization of my classroom, I am having a hard time right now describing why . I guess I just don't like how having 15 open laptops in front of me changed the atmosphere.
Organizational task certainly got easier and I love it when student google the stuff I tell them and then voice their doubts. Results in fruitfull discussions, at least in the third year.

My students asked their employer to rebuy the hardcopies of their organic chemistry books (300+ pages) because they couldn't work (efficiently) with the digital version they got
I have mixed feelings about that. I only work with students in the last two years of high school (IB diploma). The schools gives them all a macbook, and we have beautiful interactive screens. So this makes it much easier to use.

This year I completely abandoned written textbooks. I never use the textbook anyway, but now there's digital versions that are more interactive (kognity, in my case) which my students use to revise and check on the topics they struggle the most with. At the end of last year I asked my now former students what they had used more during their studies: the paper textbook or the digital one, and it was a unanimous vote for digital. I got two copies this year of the paper one for students and no one has gone to check them.

Computers are very useful for other things. I love them for collaborative work, for example students can be paired to produce beautiful mindmaps and research. At the same time I still do most of my activities in the old fashion, with laminated stuff, balls, pens, and other things that can be touched, eg the macroeconomic diagrams whose curves I've printed and they're fun to play with, rather than a boring computer tool.

Another advantage of computers is that they help disorganised students comparatively much more. Gone are the days when they'd lose their work continuously, now I can check their folders immediately. This is particularly true with One Note, which is a tremendous good tool, sadly it is also Microsoft so it is not as streamlined and easy to use as Google classroom.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Dinivan for this useful post:
  #195  
Old 19.02.2021, 16:49
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 21,376
Groaned at 461 Times in 352 Posts
Thanked 23,091 Times in 11,824 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

Quote:
View Post
And bloody chalk dust everywhere. I do like a normal whiteboard though they are a bugger to keep clean and you can guarantee the person who just borrowed your classroom used a permanent marker!
I remember blackboard chalk in prep school, however white boards & overhead projectors took over from about 1975. Language laboratory used audio cassettes & some classes (Metalwork) used pre filmed video demonstrations as there might have been multiple projects going on at the same time, rather than everybody doing the same 'lesson' as would normally happen with Maths, History etc.

Overhead projector https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overhead-Pr...IAAOSw-FRb7w9M
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank fatmanfilms for this useful post:
  #196  
Old 19.02.2021, 20:02
araqyl's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Zurich, West-side
Posts: 2,185
Groaned at 8 Times in 7 Posts
Thanked 1,323 Times in 702 Posts
araqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

Speaking of class sizes, in Montessori the ideal number is generally between 30 & 40 - provided the room is large enough for the materials and free movement.
With a three-year age range, and the children receiving a range of lessons, they often teach each other - since being able to teach somebody else is a real test of your understanding, rather than regurgitating facts onto a piece of paper. I've had children ask me if they could learn something I'm teaching to another group, and then a member of that group volunteered to show them, from the beginning of that series of presentations.
That is my favourite joy of teaching, seeing something I've taught being applied.

Quote:
View Post
Surely it's the same in life, some people can't focus, have stress issues & perform badly. Surely the point of a test is to separate those who can complete the task & those who can't?
The point of a test in school should be to determine whether the student has understood what has been taught.

If a student is not able to perform in the test, then they are not able to show what they know - which means the test has failed, not the student.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank araqyl for this useful post:
  #197  
Old 19.02.2021, 22:55
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Here
Posts: 512
Groaned at 59 Times in 49 Posts
Thanked 1,477 Times in 524 Posts
RufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

Quote:
View Post
I remember blackboard chalk in prep school, however white boards & overhead projectors took over from about 1975. Language laboratory used audio cassettes & some classes (Metalwork) used pre filmed video demonstrations as there might have been multiple projects going on at the same time, rather than everybody doing the same 'lesson' as would normally happen with Maths, History etc.

Overhead projector https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overhead-Pr...IAAOSw-FRb7w9M
Hehehe. I know what an OHP is: used them when first started out. Still probably have a pack of acetates somewhere.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank RufusB for this useful post:
  #198  
Old 19.02.2021, 22:57
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Here
Posts: 512
Groaned at 59 Times in 49 Posts
Thanked 1,477 Times in 524 Posts
RufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

Quote:
View Post
Speaking of class sizes, in Montessori the ideal number is generally between 30 & 40 - provided the room is large enough for the materials and free movement.
With a three-year age range, and the children receiving a range of lessons, they often teach each other - since being able to teach somebody else is a real test of your understanding, rather than regurgitating facts onto a piece of paper. I've had children ask me if they could learn something I'm teaching to another group, and then a member of that group volunteered to show them, from the beginning of that series of presentations.
That is my favourite joy of teaching, seeing something I've taught being applied.



The point of a test in school should be to determine whether the student has understood what has been taught.

If a student is not able to perform in the test, then they are not able to show what they know - which means the test has failed, not the student.
Montessori fascinates me: it's so outside my field. I suppose you have to train the kids in that way of behaving? How do you determine progress? Is it all IEps?


Exactly, re tests. They make me so sad for the kids who have the ability but work/think differently.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank RufusB for this useful post:
  #199  
Old 19.02.2021, 23:35
Member
 
Join Date: May 2020
Location: CH
Posts: 158
Groaned at 4 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 304 Times in 122 Posts
missenglish has a reputation beyond reputemissenglish has a reputation beyond reputemissenglish has a reputation beyond reputemissenglish has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

Quote:
View Post
Montessori fascinates me: it's so outside my field. I suppose you have to train the kids in that way of behaving? How do you determine progress? Is it all IEps?

Exactly, re tests. They make me so sad for the kids who have the ability but work/think differently.
Our child went to a Montessori kindergarten. It seemed to come very naturally - the need for training came in regular primary school where they were supposed to sit still, and so on.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank missenglish for this useful post:
  #200  
Old 20.02.2021, 08:24
araqyl's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Zurich, West-side
Posts: 2,185
Groaned at 8 Times in 7 Posts
Thanked 1,323 Times in 702 Posts
araqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

Quote:
View Post
Montessori fascinates me: it's so outside my field. I suppose you have to train the kids in that way of behaving? How do you determine progress? Is it all IEps?
If a child starts Montessori at three (or earlier) they naturally learn how to work in the environment, and the vast majority of children will then progress easily from class to class.
The basic concept is that the teacher has a curriculum available, and offers lessons to the children as they are ready for the next step in the series. We ensure that, where there are no learning difficulties or other conditions, each child covers the public school curriculum (in the Montessori way, which means starting concrete and moving to abstraction) by the time they finish the three years in each class. They also go further in areas in which they are interested or talented.

We don't have IEPs, per se, but track each child's progress individually. They generally receive their lessons in small groups, depending on which other children in the class are ready for that lesson. It requires a lot of observation, to see from their work when they are ready, and good coordination when working in a team. So I might give initial lessons on fractions to five children who are ready for it, and they work with the materials until we observe that they are ready to begin operations (addition, subtraction, ...) and then it might be that my German-speaking colleague gives that lesson - and it could be that only two of that initial group are ready, but another child who's been working on the initial work longer is now ready for the operations so joins the other two for that lesson.
All of this across all subject areas, and topics within those subject areas.
Of course, one thing that helps is the children's independent research projects (in primary (6-12) classes) - they naturally come to some things, like some biology classifications, or the geography of a country or continent, and with their interest driving it then those lessons go really smoothly for those involved - and often they will share that with the others, either while working on it or in a presentation to the group.

I don't do as much observation as I should, which means sometimes I miss when children are ready for the next step, but I do my best.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank araqyl for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Laws on school head / teachers manhandling kids Gaelic Mama Education 27 05.02.2019 16:23
Naked kids at the park, brought by the teachers! Singorchid Complaints corner 215 29.06.2011 01:01
Kids summer clothes for winter vacations at the beach for sale casiopea Commercial 0 27.10.2010 10:57
Professors or professional librarians? I need your help! AngelB Daily life 3 20.07.2010 15:32
Any teachers with Muslim kids out there? Txell Swiss politics/news 5 14.05.2010 18:53


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 03:45.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0