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You know, in the US, some faculty are paid for a 9 month contract. Often stretched to 12 months so there is something coming in every month. And in Unis, adjunct faculty are paid per course miserly amounts.

So, to your point, teachers in the US often take up summer jobs, other jobs.
Teachers in the UK & Europe take up summer jobs, even when on 12 month contracts. The fact that 9 months contracts for teachers in the US actually confirms my claim that teaching is indeed part time.
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Not true what? My point is that independent of profession, many people feel the need to claim how ultra busy they are, even if in fact they are not.
Ok, I misunderstood. It’s not just teachers and it’s not just Switzerland. There are people who love to whine about being overwhelmed.
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Teachers in the UK & Europe take up summer jobs, even when on 12 month contracts. The fact that 9 months contracts for teachers in the US actually confirms my claim that teaching is indeed part time.
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It's tough that people feel hard done by, amazing that they had no idea what they were getting into when they took the job in the first place. I will file this under first world problems.
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Ok, I misunderstood. It’s not just teachers and it’s not just Switzerland. There are people who love to whine about being overwhelmed.
In CH this happens a great deal as people 'look busy' when they have absolutely nothing to do. Then 2 phones ring at the same time & have a nervous breakdown due to the stress of work, seen this many times where I worked in Zurich.
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There are people who love to whine about being overwhelmed.
And the ones who whine the most are probably the ones who do the least.
The ones who work hardest and put the extra hours in generally just get on with it without telling everyone how overwhelmed they are all the time.
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Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

Didn't go through schooling process here so it can be vastly different, but I sincerely doubt it. If teacher is completely new or utterly inefficient at their profession, it can easily take 50 hours per week and be an exhausting process even after 20 years in the job. Non-university teachers I've had experience with were definitely subpar within educated population in things like learning new tooling, methodologies, accepting that they need to constantly improve and learn etc. Going through tons of paid courses doesn't equate to actual improvement, but that's true in any profession.

After few years, when they know the subjects they teach left and right, they have a very relaxing life. Sure, there are some extreme bits when they do correct exams till 9pm, but that's once every few weeks.

The thing is, anybody can get used to such life with tons of off days, and soon it becomes new normal. Even though its completely incomprehensible for rest of population. Give me 20 weeks of paid vacations per year, and after couple of years if you take 5 away I will be seriously pissed off how my life is going down the drain.

I have a friend teacher, always complaining he doesn't have money, always traveling, always having tons of free time, every single effin' day. Of course his perspective is how hard he works and how tough kids are, which is true - handling bunch of wild kids is THE core experience any teacher has to have, and actually only few possess.

And comparing teachers to medical staff is an insult to doctors - night shifts and weekends, 50-60 hours of sustained work, where you are always, constantly 1 mistake away from killing somebody, ending your career, ruining you financially and possibly also jail time (which are real threats, any seasoned doctor has been dragged through a court or two by disgruntled patient/family suing for half a million or two).
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Well, on the education part: The teachers in our local schools here seem to have at least two days per year where they all go on some education, and then there is no school. I would have thought they could do this during the holidays.
Maybe ask a teacher or three, or better yet the schoolmaster, why they don't. It would remove the necessity to speculate.
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The school I went to in the UK had the staff work 6 weeks over the summer holidays doing 'summer school' where various corses were offered. I guess they had to do some prep for that as well.
I can imagine that, the unies I worked for also had summer schools but nobody cares whether one is or isn't part time.

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Well, on the education part: The teachers in our local schools here seem to have at least two days per year where they all go on some education, and then there is no school. I would have thought they could do this during the holidays.
The people running these edu courses for teachers would be on hols too, I think.

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Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

Growing up I remember my mom spending just about every weekday evening grading papers, prepping the lesson plans, fielding calls from parents, taking on the role of social worker to find resources - as in housing and food, special ed coordination - for children in need. It was a 12 hour day. At least two weeks of the summer was spent at workshops. So when you figure the daily extra time in, actually holidays were about four weeks per year. And that was teaching 4th grade in the 60s-90s.

And lets not even get started with how much of a teacher's income goes to buying supplies for the class. Unheard of in the 60s and 70s, but increasingly required in later years. This may primarily be a US phenomena, but my mother estimated that by the 90s she needed to put about 15% of her salary back into the school, in order to guarantee the children had what they needed.

I would expect it's only gotten worse as funding has been slashed, and slashed again and again, since she retired.

Mom taught because it was her passion. And yes, she has a decent pension from those many decades of teaching. But believe me, she earned every penny.
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Old 13.02.2021, 13:16
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And lets not even get started with how much of a teacher's income goes to buying supplies for the class. Unheard of in the 60s and 70s, but increasingly required in later years. This may primarily be a US phenomena, but my mother estimated that by the 90s she needed to put about 15% of her salary back into the school, in order to guarantee the children had what they needed.

I would expect it's only gotten worse as funding has been slashed, and slashed again and again, since she retired.

Mom taught because it was her passion. And yes, she has a decent pension from those many decades of teaching. But believe me, she earned every penny.
Absolutely not the case in CH. If it is, those who experience this, please come forward. I'd make my personal mission to see what the cantons do with our taxes.
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It was a 12 hour day.
Yes. And in masks now. But I wouldn't trade it.
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And lets not even get started with how much of a teacher's income goes to buying supplies for the class. Unheard of in the 60s and 70s, but increasingly required in later years. This may primarily be a US phenomena, but my mother estimated that by the 90s she needed to put about 15% of her salary back into the school, in order to guarantee the children had what they needed.
As far as I'm aware, this is ONLY a US problem.

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...and Wednesdays?
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As far as I'm aware, this is ONLY a US problem.

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No it's not. The amount of supplies and resources I have purchased over the years is ridiculous.

As for UK teachers taking summer jobs... I doubt many do. I mean I also have a seasonal examining gig (when there are exams), have done for years, but that just means from the end of May until the end of July I put in 30- 40 extra hours per week. I don't then also work in August. No way.
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No it's not. The amount of supplies and resources I have purchased over the years is ridiculous.

As for UK teachers taking summer jobs... I doubt many do. I mean I also have a seasonal examining gig (when there are exams), have done for years, but that just means from the end of May until the end of July I put in 30- 40 extra hours per week. I don't then also work in August. No way.
There are not many people in a full time jobs that could fit in an extra 30-40 hours a week for for 2 months, whilst looking after their kids.
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There are not many people in a full time jobs that could fit in an extra 30-40 hours a week for for 2 months, whilst looking after their kids.
Meh. Lightweights.


I have a very understanding OH who takes over the domestic side and I run on about 5 hours sleep. But kids, so show me a parent who isn't used to that. Extra c 4 hours per eve plus c .20 at the weekend. Lots of takeaways. Super organised. It's not fun but it's doable. Got to be anti-social hours as the majority of my team work full time too. Supportive line managers who value the CPD.

Your point?
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Meh. Lightweights.


I have a very understanding OH who takes over the domestic side and I run on about 5 hours sleep. But kids, so show me a parent who isn't used to that. Extra c 4 hours per eve plus c .20 at the weekend. Lots of takeaways. Super organised. It's not fun but it's doable. Got to be anti-social hours as the majority of my team work full time too. Supportive line managers who value the CPD.

Your point?
Amazing how you find time to post so much on this forum
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Re: Do teachers/professors have vacations when kids have it?

it's a nice lifestyle.
I have friends teachers, 13 weeks of holidays, not working any afternoon, earn more than the "ef median" and much more for those in administration (less classes but more bs).
But it's competitive to get a fixed position.
The salaries above are only for a few schools (in zg and zh).
You can have difficult classes but the feeling i have is that most of the students are incredibly nice compared to other countries.
There is work if you teach german, languages etc... but if you are a sports teacher ...
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Amazing how you find time to post so much on this forum

Amazing how many like to comment on a person they know nothing about.

It's not currently exam season.

I'm superwoman, clearly.
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So, do teachers/professors have vacation when kids have it?
I just mis-read as "vaccination". I need hols.
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