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Surely it's the same in life, some people can't focus, have stress issues & perform badly. Surely the point of a test is to separate those who can complete the task & those who can't?
It depends entirely upon what the purpose of a test is. Which is why exam performance is another skill to support and develop.
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It doesn't have to be stressful. It is exciting. I am glad for the changes, technology can speed stuff up, make it easier, more simple and lighter, more accessible tothe digital generation, too. I got lighter bag now with digital books and virtual classrooms than trucking all the paper. It still happens but less. Mostly a couple of memory scards/sticks..Loads of visual aids every class. Prep is time taking but it is exciting, research basically.
Personally, I don't like the digitalization of my classroom, I am having a hard time right now describing why . I guess I just don't like how having 15 open laptops in front of me changed the atmosphere.
Organizational task certainly got easier and I love it when student google the stuff I tell them and then voice their doubts. Results in fruitfull discussions, at least in the third year.

My students asked their employer to rebuy the hardcopies of their organic chemistry books (300+ pages) because they couldn't work (efficiently) with the digital version they got
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Personally, I don't like the digitalization of my classroom, I am having a hard time right now describing why . I guess I just don't like how having 15 open laptops in front of me changed the atmosphere.
Real books are great too. A good mix of input.
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Remember, we're teaching different age groups and curriculums here so posts may be misleading. My teenage students mostly agree on preferring books to computers when it comes to quality learning but realize one can't stop "progress." I believe we'll see the pendulum swing back and forth on attitudes towards digital learning until we see either a mixture of paper-based books and digital resources or, as in commercial schools, a reform in learning as a whole.

I see bumpy waters ahead for teachers as they attempt to create a learning atmosphere that meets the needs of students, parents, politicians, management and voters alike.
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BTW, are interactive white boards common now in Switzerland as in the UK?

For those who teach here in Switzerland, I wonder how many teach in 'normal' State secondary schools- and what the class size is. Because class size makes a massive difference, for sure. Teaching a class of 15 is massively different to teaching a class of 20, 25+ and certainly 30+.
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Personally, I don't like the digitalization of my classroom, I am having a hard time right now describing why . I guess I just don't like how having 15 open laptops in front of me changed the atmosphere.
Same. I blame it on tactile memories from way back when, and being read to by parents, siblings, godfather, etc. Just like Mom's food is impossible to beat.

What does that mean for today's kids? Will they likewise reminisce their tactile memories with their Kindle, laptop, etc in a few short decades while teaching their kids how to best use their body/brain implants?
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BTW, are interactive white boards common now in Switzerland as in the UK?
Don't think so. Only in schools which were built recently.
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What does that mean for today's kids? Will they likewise reminisce their tactile memories with their Kindle, laptop, etc in a few short decades while teaching their kids how to best use their body/brain implants?
Who knows
I recently had to tell a 16 year old that it's not very effective to solve equations in word....
However, those who write their homework on tablets are less likely to "forget" them at home.
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BTW, are interactive white boards common now in Switzerland as in the UK?

For those who teach here in Switzerland, I wonder how many teach in 'normal' State secondary schools- and what the class size is. Because class size makes a massive difference, for sure. Teaching a class of 15 is massively different to teaching a class of 20, 25+ and certainly 30+.
I thought they'd be everywhere. The really tech savvy schools in the UK - mostly primary - now have huge touch screen "tablets", I suppose, instead of IWBs.

I love an interactive whiteboard. I was one of the first to trial in my school (6 of us) years ago and it was a game changer.
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They had interactive white board at the school where I was studying for A'Level Italian before we moved here (Leics). In 2008. And in the next classroom they had one of those roll around blackboard, and in the one on the other side- a white board. What a mix. Matteo was brilliant at using the interactive white board with his laptop- so by the end of the lesson, he would give us a print out of any words or expressions used during the lesson, as he added them as and when. I went to a couple of training sessions- although at the time I was only doing supply teaching as I had to come and help my parents here every few weeks.
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I believe interactive whiteboards have become obsolete now that there's visual presenters and software that can do much of the same thing. Onenote now allows students to collaborate as well.
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Switzerland is 20 days IIRC. TV & Film is excluded from the 65 hour a week with working on Sundays completely standard.
Normal film business day is 10 before overtime. 12 hours for feature films with a 6 day week as standard. 12 hours is scheduled shooting & does not cover data back up or preparation for the next day. 15/16 hour days was normal.
Music videos probably a 20 hour day expected, my longest music video shoot in Geneva was 28 hours 8am till 12 noon the following day, obviously collecting / returning equipment was 'included' in the definition of a day so 32 hours in total.
This got me wondering: who needs music videos? If that sounds flippant, bear with me. The point is: who suffers if you don’t get them made? There is obviously a higher need for regulations in professions people depend upon, especially people unable to stand up for themselves because they are ill, small or infirm. (Historically, medicine has long been an exception because the lawyers who make such regulations considered doctors and other liberal professions their equals, i.e. able to look after themselves. Duh. My longest stints at work were longer than yours. That does nobody any good. In contrast to you, I wholeheartedly approve of the fact that such working hours in hospitals are now illegal. At least in theory.)

On a scale of jobs the world needs, I personally believe teachers are higher up than the makers of music videos. If one wants to consider music videos as art, one could argue that art has always been somewhere between a passionate but penniless privilege and, well: well-paid prostitution. Most artists I have met seem to resent both extremes. It sort of begs the question why they do what they do, and why they got into it in the first place, and whether they‘re disillusioned, particularly if they go around teasing others about their „easy lives“.

An aside in this context that I find interesting is the Japanese concept of ikigai. It goes beyond work, but as far as work goes, it suggests things like: do what you love; do what you‘re good at; do what the world needs; do what you can be rewarded for. In that order. I have yet to meet a single person who put the last goal - monetary gain - first and had a good life.

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It depends entirely upon what the purpose of a test is. Which is why exam performance is another skill to support and develop.
Yes. But.

The Hattie study showed that it is not teaching methods that make great teachers, but that passionate teachers able to relate well to their students succeed no matter how. This did not surprise little old me because it closely parallels Grawe‘s research in psychotherapy. It‘s the quality of the relationship that counts, not the method. Slightly oversimplified, but that‘s the gist of it.

Exams, IMHO, are crutches. Perhaps a necessary evil. But the focus on PISA results really makes one wonder. Extrinsic motivation sucks. Ikigai again.

(Parenthetically and begging your pardon: this is a pet peeve of mine. An obvious example is ladies’ figure skating, all but ruined by the focus on high scores. These days, the only females able to do the technically difficult programs are young teenagers with bodies light enough to do quadruple jumps. Which means that world-class careers are made in childhood and over before twenty. The champions‘ names change almost yearly. And the Russian drill academies produce series of competing winners, some of whom who go on a downward spiral as soon as they stop winning, up to anorexia and suicide. Now contrast that to Denise Biellmann, the world champion from forty years ago, who is still on the ice almost daily, teaching and practising, at an age when others retire from office jobs, and clearly loves what she does. Of course, figure skating is even less necessary to the world than music videos are, but still. I have the greatest respect for serious artists, and there were some in that sport. If you have time on your hands, check out the videos of the Sochi ladies‘ medalists to see what was lost with the likes of Yuna Kim and Carolina Kostner, beaten by a Russian teen who disappeared from the scene soon after. Link to Kostner’s long program here, also for the pertinent comments: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SdQf7cabBjo)
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This got me wondering: who needs music videos? If that sounds flippant, bear with me. The point is: who suffers if you don’t get them made? There is obviously a higher need for regulations in professions people depend upon, especially people unable to stand up for themselves because they are ill, small or infirm. (Historically, medicine has long been an exception because the lawyers who make such regulations considered doctors and other liberal professions their equals, i.e. able to look after themselves. Duh. My longest stints at work were longer than yours. That does nobody any good. In contrast to you, I wholeheartedly approve of the fact that such working hours in hospitals are now illegal. At least in theory.)

On a scale of jobs the world needs, I personally believe teachers are higher up than the makers of music videos. If one wants to consider music videos as art, one could argue that art has always been somewhere between a passionate but penniless privilege and, well: well-paid prostitution. Most artists I have met seem to resent both extremes. It sort of begs the question why they do what they do, and why they got into it in the first place, and whether they‘re disillusioned, particularly if they go around teasing others about their „easy lives“.

An aside in this context that I find interesting is the Japanese concept of ikigai. It goes beyond work, but as far as work goes, it suggests things like: do what you love; do what you‘re good at; do what the world needs; do what you can be rewarded for. In that order. I have yet to meet a single person who put the last goal - monetary gain - first and had a good life.
The record companies as they make money from music sales, it's big business, nothing to do with Art.
I generally shot commercials that were quite well paid up until 2005, nobody blinked at 1500 chf a day + plus holiday pay & social costs, so more prostitution than Art. Then came cheaper equipment & rich Swiss daddies would buy their kid 100k of equipment & they would end up working for 500 a day or less & throw in equipment, equipment got cheaper still so people worked for nothing & claimed it was Art The poor sods who get a job in TV earn about the same as working in a supermarket.
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Yes. But.

The Hattie study showed that it is not teaching methods that make great teachers, but that passionate teachers able to relate well to their students succeed no matter how. This did not surprise little old me because it closely parallels Grawe‘s research in psychotherapy. It‘s the quality of the relationship that counts, not the method. Slightly oversimplified, but that‘s the gist of it.

Exams, IMHO, are crutches. Perhaps a necessary evil. But the focus on PISA results really makes one wonder. Extrinsic motivation sucks. Ikigai again.
Absolutely. Great post.

When one is passionate, one doesn't lecture. One shares. That is so evident to students and they relate differently than to somebody hiding behind exams, self-importance, formal or self-percieved authority and wanna be impressive educational corporate prose. Ikigai!

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Yes. But.

The Hattie study showed that it is not teaching methods that make great teachers, but that passionate teachers able to relate well to their students succeed no matter how. This did not surprise little old me because it closely parallels Grawe‘s research in psychotherapy. It‘s the quality of the relationship that counts, not the method. Slightly oversimplified, but that‘s the gist of it.

Exams, IMHO, are crutches. Perhaps a necessary evil. But the focus on PISA results really makes one wonder....

Agree. But crutches for whom? For those insistent on league tables etc.

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When one is passionate, one doesn't lecture. One shares. That is so evident to students and they relate differently than to somebody hiding behind exams, self-importance, formal or percieved authority and wanna be impressive educational corporate prose. Ikigai!
Exactly. The most successful are the most human and humane. IMO.
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I believe interactive whiteboards have become obsolete now that there's visual presenters and software that can do much of the same thing. Onenote now allows students to collaborate as well.
Depends upon budget IME. And level of tech in a school.
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BTW, are interactive white boards common now in Switzerland as in the UK?

For those who teach here in Switzerland, I wonder how many teach in 'normal' State secondary schools- and what the class size is. Because class size makes a massive difference, for sure. Teaching a class of 15 is massively different to teaching a class of 20, 25+ and certainly 30+.
Where I teach (800+ Students), about 20% of the classes have interactive white boards. Class sizes vary from 17 to 26 students per class.

Interactive white boards are far from the norm in Vaud public school, but we’re slowly getting there.
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I thought they'd be everywhere. The really tech savvy schools in the UK - mostly primary - now have huge touch screen "tablets", I suppose, instead of IWBs.

I love an interactive whiteboard. I was one of the first to trial in my school (6 of us) years ago and it was a game changer.
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Where I teach (800+ Students), about 20% of the classes have interactive white boards. Class sizes vary from 17 to 26 students per class.

Interactive white boards are far from the norm in Vaud public school, but we’re slowly getting there.
I went to private Schools in the UK, both Prep & Secondary, classed varied from 4 - 16. (4 was remedial English, others went from 6) When I pay for Ski tuition it's usually 6 in a group, another company has a max of 8, 26 would be hopeless.
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I went to private Schools in the UK, both Prep & Secondary, classed varied from 4 - 16. (4 was remedial English, others went from 6) When I pay for Ski tuition it's usually 6 in a group, another company has a max of 8, 26 would be hopeless.
30-34 is the norm in UK state schools. Groups of 4-16 would be a game changer. That's the real reason private schools do so well.
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