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Resignation And RAV

I know that everyone says do not resign and go and see a doctor but for those who have resigned there seems to be the following misunderstood problem:

1) if you resign and wish to go on the RAV and have a large salary > 120K and are single you will be penalised 60 days PLUS 20 days so a total of 80 days which means four months penalty and therefore payment not before five months since your last paycheck

Please keep that in mind !
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I know that everyone says do not resign and go and see a doctor but for those who have resigned there seems to be the following misunderstood problem:

1) if you resign and wish to go on the RAV and have a large salary > 120K and are single you will be penalised 60 days PLUS 20 days so a total of 80 days which means four months penalty and therefore payment not before five months since your last paycheck

Please keep that in mind !
In exceptional circumstance I believe they can totally deny the claim too.
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I know that everyone says do not resign and go and see a doctor but for those who have resigned there seems to be the following misunderstood problem:

1) if you resign and wish to go on the RAV and have a large salary > 120K and are single you will be penalised 60 days PLUS 20 days so a total of 80 days which means four months penalty and therefore payment not before five months since your last paycheck

Please keep that in mind !
I wasn't aware that it was generally misunderstood. 20 days is the standard waiting time for high salaries. The 60 days extra waiting time is the punishment for resigning. If you quit your job I think it's fine that you should have this extra time to look for another one. Pretty much always better financially to get fired somehow.
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Re: Resignation And RAV

I think a lot of people think it is 20 days penalty or 60 days penalty when in fact it is 80 days penalty. That was the key to this thread
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I think a lot of people think it is 20 days penalty or 60 days penalty when in fact it is 80 days penalty. That was the key to this thread
Thanks. Possibly as additional clarification - 20 days penalty for high earners happens if you are fired and/or if you resign. Additional 60 days will be added on top in case you resign. So, in any case, 20 days penalty generally applies for high earners.
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Re: Resignation And RAV

I think we simply refer back to: do not resign unless you have another job lined up...

Not sure where there is a misunderstanding, after all, if you make that much, you should have been capable of saving some money.
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I think a lot of people think it is 20 days penalty or 60 days penalty when in fact it is 80 days penalty. That was the key to this thread
Well it *is* a 60 day penalty plus the usual prescribed "waiting days". The waiting days depends on your salary. The more you earn the longer they think you can wait. The 20 days is not a penalty - the 60 days is. But semantics aside yes you're right it can be 80 days total to wait if you resign from a high paying job.
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I think we simply refer back to: do not resign unless you have another job lined up...
I guess termination by mutual consent comes under the same category as resigning?
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I guess termination by mutual consent comes under the same category as resigning?
As long as you get a letter that states that they are terminating the contract, not you, and that it is not because of gross misconduct of some kind...
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I guess termination by mutual consent comes under the same category as resigning?
It will be treated as termination by the employer. As long as you alone are not ending the employment it is seen as termination by the employer.
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It will be treated as termination by the employer. As long as you alone are not ending the employment it is seen as termination by the employer.
I'm not so sure on this. Mutual termination is usually in the case of termination different to the prescribed requirements such as a reduced notice period. If the employer only wants to give you one month notice or one day notice when it should have been three and you agree to it why should the RAV/Arbeitlosenkasse pay for that?
I was warned very strongly about agreeing to any mutual termination. I can't picture why a mutual termination would be necessary if it otherwise follows all the rules of notice period etc.

The RAV can use their judgement when it comes to penalty time - it doesn't always have to be 60 days.
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Re: Resignation And RAV

In my experience, termination by mutual agreement, normally follows standard notice period. It is just semantics which is then also used in Zeugnis. It guarantees civilized end to a relationship where everyone is happy and RAV treats it as termination by employer.
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As long as you get a letter that states that they are terminating the contract, not you, and that it is not because of gross misconduct of some kind...
It does not matter what they say in any letter, the RAV go by what the employer puts on the official questionnaire they send to the employer.
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Re: Resignation And RAV

So is it correct that resigning you will loose 60days of allowance from the total and it will also be delayed?
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