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Hemingway 16.03.2021 17:41

Home office - setup costs + expenses
 
Hi all!

Does/did your employer cover any home office setup costs and ongoing expenses? I am starting a new job (banking) and currently don't have a home office in place - just my personal laptop and a wonky kitchen table. Ideally, I need a desk, chair, a headset, printer + all the usual basics (paper, pens, et al.)

How was/is this handled by your employers?

Sean Connery 16.03.2021 17:43

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some do, some don't. I would ask your employer.

mine contributed to part of a computing device, screen and chair. I needed receipts and it's on my salary statement as a benefit.

eyebeebe 16.03.2021 19:54

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I would forget about a printer at home if you are working in banking.

On top of what SC has said, I would expect them to let you order a headset through their procurement website (or however they handle it) and get it delivered to home or picked up from an IT point.

Claiming for pens and paper - please don‘t be one of those employees

Axa 16.03.2021 20:26

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I took a chair and a couple A4 paper packages from the office last time I was there in Janury :D

There are discussions about some extra CHF per month in the salary to cover these things. Nothing concrete yet.

What is ready to pickup are mobile phones with a Europe all-inclusive plan, since the office phones were decommissioned in January. But I have not done that, I won't use the company mobile phone until forced to.

ZuriRollt 16.03.2021 20:27

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Originally Posted by eyebeebe (Post 3286395)
I would forget about a printer at home if you are working in banking.

On top of what SC has said, I would expect them to let you order a headset through their procurement website (or however they handle it) and get it delivered to home or picked up from an IT point.

Claiming for pens and paper - please don‘t be one of those employees

Yes, in banking at least you would be entitled to be provided remote access with a company provided laptop (might or might-not be the latest model, and could require anything between less than a minute to 8 minutes reboot time). The access method (and login encryption time) may be limited according to your geographical location and access rights. Otherwise, a good remote access application and remote entry that you can use to access via your own PC/laptop. Head-sets and so should also be provided. As mentioned, if in banking then you won‘t need, or be able to use, a printer at home.

If you had stuff like multiple screens, docking station etc. at your desk, then clarify this with your line management I guess you can take it home.

axman 16.03.2021 20:28

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Laptop and headset is anyway part of the standard equipment.

Then we all got a one-off Fr.400 payment to purchase whatever else we need (but we can really do whatever we wanted with the money).

My wife's employers allowed staff to take monitors, keyboard, mouse, even the deskchair home. But no cash payment or other contribution.

Chuff 16.03.2021 20:42

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Originally Posted by Hemingway (Post 3286345)
Hi all!

Does/did your employer cover any home office setup costs and ongoing expenses? I am starting a new job (banking) and currently don't have a home office in place - just my personal laptop and a wonky kitchen table. Ideally, I need a desk, chair, a headset, printer + all the usual basics (paper, pens, et al.)

How was/is this handled by your employers?

We gota small one time payment of a couple of hundred chuffs, but other than that, nothing and we are expecred to fund home office equipment ourselves.

I've recently spent a fair bit on an electric sit/stand desk and good desk chair and I wish I had done it far sooner, but better late than ever I guess. The end result is that I will aim to do 2-3 home office days per week in future.

jacek 16.03.2021 21:01

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I got laptop with headset, mouse, laptop bag and two power supplies plus two monitors to take them home to setup the home office. After contract termination, all is returned back to the employer.

Cost of home office - finding the quite place from which you can peacefully work.
Huge saving on car fuel or transportation costs. Win win situation! Viva HO, HO, HO :)

patrickk 16.03.2021 21:02

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0.-, nothing for electricity, communication bills (have to use my own phone several hours per day, own laptop, own internet and transfer confidential files by emails because they can't sort out access to the server... it's a bank lol).
But home office is almost forbidden, i had to fight for almost a year to have it (I have 2 hours commute 1 way) while some lucky colleagues and boss were out for a full year (they were the only ones to catch covid or report sick regularly haha...)

neutralname 16.03.2021 21:21

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we had a 50 CHF per month lumpsum payment for the months which employer required us to work from home.

This was not paid for months when it was optional or 50% work from home like last summer

ZuriRollt 16.03.2021 21:22

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Originally Posted by patrickk (Post 3286428)
0.-, nothing for electricity, communication bills (have to use my own phone several hours per day, own laptop, own internet and transfer confidential files by emails because they can't sort out access to the server... it's a bank lol).
But home office is almost forbidden, i had to fight for almost a year to have it (I have 2 hours commute 1 way) while some lucky colleagues and boss were out for a full year (they were the only ones to catch covid or report sick regularly haha...)

So, which bank :eek:

leonie 16.03.2021 22:19

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Currently I got a laptop, an iphone, a docking station, monitor, camera, headset. Could have taken a chair but don’t need an extra chair. I have been working from home for many years, and the set of items was changing over the years — we used to have a printer before, and even the internet was payed by the employer.

giff 16.03.2021 22:24

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Got to bring home chair and monitor/keyboard, plus offered 100 CHF for a desk and some money for extra internet connection.

cremebrulee 16.03.2021 23:20

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We were offered 1-2 desktop monitors, a docking station for the laptop, keyboard, mouse, and an office chair. All are on loan from the company and are expected to be returned once WFH finishes.

alexyalmtl 17.03.2021 07:23

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Originally Posted by Hemingway (Post 3286345)
Hi all!

Does/did your employer cover any home office setup costs and ongoing expenses? I am starting a new job (banking) and currently don't have a home office in place - just my personal laptop and a wonky kitchen table. Ideally, I need a desk, chair, a headset, printer + all the usual basics (paper, pens, et al.)

How was/is this handled by your employers?

My employer lent me a monitor and a mouse. Well, he's just a shell company that takes half of my daily rate. (Worked well enough before I had a C permit, need to see about changing now!)

I'm curious about tax deductions for what I bought to allow home office work. Anyone with real world experience?

Hemingway 17.03.2021 12:33

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Nah I wasn't gonna claim for pens + paper, just want to fit out a proper working space at home. If I got a desk + chair + headset I'd be more than happy! Working at the kitchen table & in my kitchen chair gives me back pain after a couple hours...

Hemingway 17.03.2021 12:36

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Originally Posted by eyebeebe (Post 3286395)
I would forget about a printer at home if you are working in banking.

On top of what SC has said, I would expect them to let you order a headset through their procurement website (or however they handle it) and get it delivered to home or picked up from an IT point.

Claiming for pens and paper - please dont be one of those employees

Just out of curiosity - why not printer? In the office I'd print a bunch of stuff (mostly research)

Hemingway 17.03.2021 12:37

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Originally Posted by alexyalmtl (Post 3286516)
My employer lent me a monitor and a mouse. Well, he's just a shell company that takes half of my daily rate. (Worked well enough before I had a C permit, need to see about changing now!)

I'm curious about tax deductions for what I bought to allow home office work. Anyone with real world experience?

Depends on your canton. Most cantons just allow you to claim the normal deductions (meals, travel, etc) as if you were going to the office all year. It simplifies things.

Landers 17.03.2021 12:47

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Generally speaking, if the company *requires* you to work from home they should contribute to the costs. If they *allow* you to work from home they won't. Quite which way it is with the government requiring you to work from home I don't know but they are offering some tax breaks depending on the canton.

Sinking 17.03.2021 12:55

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Originally Posted by Landers (Post 3286676)
Generally speaking, if the company *requires* you to work from home they should contribute to the costs. If they *allow* you to work from home they won't. Quite which way it is with the government requiring you to work from home I don't know but they are offering some tax breaks depending on the canton.

Exactly this.

I have seen people complaining (I am not kidding!) that their employer does not pay for pens while working from home but they fail to mention that the employer gave them the choice between going to the office or work from home.

My employer provided screen, keyboard, laptop and cell phone but that's about it. Which makes sense as I could still go to the office whenever I want if I need to print or pick up supplies.

Chuff 17.03.2021 13:01

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Originally Posted by Landers (Post 3286676)
Generally speaking, if the company *requires* you to work from home they should contribute to the costs. If they *allow* you to work from home they won't. Quite which way it is with the government requiring you to work from home I don't know but they are offering some tax breaks depending on the canton.

A pandemic disrupting business is not the same as "requiring" you to work from home in other scenarios. Many companies, especially larger ones with thousands of employees, have not contributed significantly to home office costs or hardware to take home because doing so would be very expensive and would require buying a lot of additional equipment.

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Originally Posted by Sinking (Post 3286685)
Exactly this.

I have seen people complaining (I am not kidding!) that their employer does not pay for pens while working from home but they fail to mention that the employer gave them the choice between going to the office or work from home.

My employer provided screen, keyboard, laptop and cell phone but that's about it. Which makes sense as I could still go to the office whenever I want if I need to print or pick up supplies.

WTF, there were clearly times when going to the standard workplace offices was NOT allowable by BAG and even outside of those times many companies even closed their offices and issues statements that employees were to stay home unless in case of an emergency, for reasons of safety. So, I have no idea why you are trying to portray like the pandemic has been some kind of free choice for everyone? :confused:

alexyalmtl 17.03.2021 13:32

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Originally Posted by Hemingway (Post 3286669)
Just out of curiosity - why not printer? In the office I'd print a bunch of stuff (mostly research)

I've also done work for banks where printing is impossible with the company-supplied computer connected by VPN. And yes, it would have been practical for research sometimes -- charts, reports, tables etc.

Does the availability of a printer strengthen one's temptation to share confidential banking data? Your guess is as good as mine. For whatever reason, it appears that it is not considered a serious attack vector to simply take a photo of the screen and treat it with OCR.

Sinking 17.03.2021 13:34

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3286691)
A pandemic disrupting business is not the same as "requiring" you to work from home in other scenarios. Many companies, especially larger ones with thousands of employees, have not contributed significantly to home office costs or hardware to take home because doing so would be very expensive and would require buying a lot of additional equipment.



WTF, there were clearly times when going to the standard workplace offices was NOT allowable by BAG and even outside of those times many companies even closed their offices and issues statements that employees were to stay home unless in case of an emergency, for reasons of safety. So, I have no idea why you are trying to portray like the pandemic has been some kind of free choice for everyone? :confused:

I am not trying to portray anything, I am speaking of my own experience.

As per BAG rules, we had 1 month mandatory work from home last year. I expect everybody to be able to make due without a pen or a printer for a month, especially in these pandemic times.

Right now there is no mandatory work from home rule, as we can very well see from traffic and such. It is highly recommended but there are so many exceptions that we can say many people are now working in their office, maybe as little as once or twice per week.

Personally, I have been working from home since March 2020, employer lets me decide whether I want to go to the office or not.

As I said, if employer decided to close their offices altogether, then it's another matter.

Chuff 17.03.2021 13:52

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Originally Posted by Sinking (Post 3286700)
I am not trying to portray anything, I am speaking of my own experience.

As per BAG rules, we had 1 month mandatory work from home last year. I expect everybody to be able to make due without a pen or a printer for a month, especially in these pandemic times.

Right now there is no mandatory work from home rule, as we can very well see from traffic and such. It is highly recommended but there are so many exceptions that we can say many people are now working in their office, maybe as little as once or twice per week.

Personally, I have been working from home since March 2020, employer lets me decide whether I want to go to the office or not.

As I said, if employer decided to close their offices altogether, then it's another matter.

As I said, separate to BAG, some large companies are closing offices or putting them on limited service and asking you to work from home due to the pandemic and not wanting to increase the risk of infections. That still doesn't mean they pay for your home office equipment like desk or monitor etc.

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Originally Posted by alexyalmtl (Post 3286699)
I've also done work for banks where printing is impossible with the company-supplied computer connected by VPN. And yes, it would have been practical for research sometimes -- charts, reports, tables etc.

Does the availability of a printer strengthen one's temptation to share confidential banking data? Your guess is as good as mine. For whatever reason, it appears that it is not considered a serious attack vector to simply take a photo of the screen and treat it with OCR.

Two different ways of doing things and it is much easier to get the data off of a printer. Obviously you can't do anything about someone simply taking a photo of a screen with a phone camera while at home, whereas you can do something about allowing use of a printer while at home.

Spinal 17.03.2021 14:07

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During the period where we weren't allowed into the office, we could bring home any equipment we needed (screens, docking stations, etc).

After the equipment was returned to the office, we now get a docking station, headset + a couple hundred bucks to spend on whatever we want.

eyebeebe 17.03.2021 15:09

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Originally Posted by alexyalmtl (Post 3286699)
I've also done work for banks where printing is impossible with the company-supplied computer connected by VPN. And yes, it would have been practical for research sometimes -- charts, reports, tables etc.

Does the availability of a printer strengthen one's temptation to share confidential banking data? Your guess is as good as mine. For whatever reason, it appears that it is not considered a serious attack vector to simply take a photo of the screen and treat it with OCR.

Its not just client data, its having any kind of confidential data floating around your home. In the office lockable cupboards and confidential waste bins are provided and clean desk policies implemented. This isnt possible/easily enforced at home.

Axa 17.03.2021 15:09

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3286691)
A pandemic disrupting business is not the same as "requiring" you to work from home in other scenarios. Many companies, especially larger ones with thousands of employees, have not contributed significantly to home office costs or hardware to take home because doing so would be very expensive and would require buying a lot of additional equipment.

That's called lack of leadership.

The equipment is there in the office for pickup. Someone just needs to take responsibility for the material taken from the office to home. In our department we organized to avoid being there at the same time, but sooner than later I picked up 2 screens, docking station, a nice chair (giroflex), couple packs of A4 paper and some books I regularly use.

It's real funny that one of my neighbors can use the company car as personal car, and somehow it's to complicate to let employees pick up a chair and some computer screens. We've been living like this for 1 year, I guess enough time to adapt.

PS. taking the office material home may depend on the hardware leasing contract. In any case, I'd expect those companies with 1000s of employees to have a better negotiation leverage with hardware leasing companies than smaller companies. It seems smaller companies have adapted better.....so lack of leadership.

Sinking 17.03.2021 15:31

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Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3286729)
That's called lack of leadership.

The equipment is there in the office for pickup. Someone just needs to take responsibility for the material taken from the office to home. In our department we organized to avoid being there at the same time, but sooner than later I picked up 2 screens, docking station, a nice chair (giroflex), couple packs of A4 paper and some books I regularly use.

It's real funny that one of my neighbors can use the company car as personal car, and somehow it's to complicate to let employees pick up a chair and some computer screens. We've been living like this for 1 year, I guess enough time to adapt.

PS. taking the office material home may depend on the hardware leasing contract. In any case, I'd expect those companies with 1000s of employees to have a better negotiation leverage with hardware leasing companies than smaller companies. It seems smaller companies have adapted better.....so lack of leadership.

Yup, the "small" company (150 employees) I work for, did a fantastic job and, within 48 hours, they managed to organise pick up (or delivery!) of office supplies to everybody!


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