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Employment lawyer sought.

To avoid picking at random from a Google search, can anyone recommend a lawyer expert in employment law in Geneva who could help a nurse defend herself against being fired from a Geneva hospital for alleged incompetence, purely on the word of a senior colleague?
She hasn't completed the necessary time to make herself a "state employee" and virtually unsackable.
Purely IMO, obviously, it's a case of the French frontalier mafia bullying a non-French newish employee, and there are certainly plenty of possible openings for a lawyer due to the way they've conducted themselves, but obviously care will have to be taken with any defence, it needs a specialist lawyer to look at it I guess.

Anyone know someone with suitable successful experience?
I know this is an English-speaking forum but no need for the lawyer to be so - French-speaking and expert in the right areas would be fine!
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To avoid picking at random from a Google search, can anyone recommend a lawyer expert in employment law in Geneva who could help a nurse defend herself against being fired from a Geneva hospital for alleged incompetence, purely on the word of a senior colleague?
She hasn't completed the necessary time to make herself a "state employee" and virtually unsackable.
Purely IMO, obviously, it's a case of the French frontalier mafia bullying a non-French newish employee, and there are certainly plenty of possible openings for a lawyer due to the way they've conducted themselves, but obviously care will have to be taken with any defence, it needs a specialist lawyer to look at it I guess.

Anyone know someone with suitable successful experience?
I know this is an English-speaking forum but no need for the lawyer to be so - French-speaking and expert in the right areas would be fine!
Thks in advance
They don't need a reason to fire you in Switzerland, which is why the pay is 3 times as much as in France.
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Re: Employment lawyer sought.

Try calling the unemployment office for advice on an organization that could help. Think they may know best.
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They don't need a reason to fire you in Switzerland, which is why the pay is 3 times as much as in France.

They don't need one either in the US and the pay there is even higher (probably by another factor of 3 in medicine), yet there's a thriving industry of wrongful termination lawsuits
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They don't need one either in the US and the pay there is even higher (probably by another factor of 3 in medicine), yet there's a thriving industry of wrongful termination lawsuits
US is very different to Switzerland then.
It looks like the average nurse in CH earns more than the average nurse in the US.
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They don't need a reason to fire you in Switzerland, which is why the pay is 3 times as much as in France.
That doesn't apply to long-term public servants (i.e. people employed by any of the layers of government). Not that that applies to the nurse in question, apparently.

Also, if a reason for termination is given (in this case, incompetence), and it is provably false, there would indeed be grounds for legal action.
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US is very different to Switzerland then.
It looks like the average nurse in CH earns more than the average nurse in the US.
I don't know man https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=&j...ity=&year=2020 - "Median Salary $101600" - do swiss nurses clear 6 figures too? I suspect not.


The top range of the pay in medicine (e.g. surgeons) *definitely* goes a lot higher than in CH.
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I don't know man https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=&j...ity=&year=2020 - "Median Salary $101600" - do swiss nurses clear 6 figures too? I suspect not.
Yes, the CHF is also stronger than the USD
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Re: Employment lawyer sought.

there is such a thing as wrongful termination.
It can pay something from 2 to 6 months of salary (and in some cases, cancelled bonuses and so on).
But remember who you are going against, your opponent's resources and the cost of lawyers (300/hr+expenses)
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They don't need a reason to fire you in Switzerland,
They do but effectively don't.
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Re: Employment lawyer sought.

They really don't.

As long as they give you proper notice according to your contract.
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Re: Employment lawyer sought.

They have to come up with a reason if you ask for it, that's the law - https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2...377/en#art_335

It just won't necessarily be the real reason and what you can do with that knowledge is limited. If employer really wants you gone, you'll be gone.
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They don't need one either in the US and the pay there is even higher (probably by another factor of 3 in medicine), yet there's a thriving industry of wrongful termination lawsuits
What?? No, not true. Perhaps only doctors make more and a lot of that goes towards needed insurance for lawsuits.

https://www.indeed.com/career/registered-nurse/salaries
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Re: Employment lawyer sought.

I got fired because "I worked better and faster than the other employers" according to manager and CEO.

Fake reason in the letter: reorganization
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Oh yes, US doctors are totally loaded. Pretty much the only other route to a FatFIRE besides entrepreneurship and SWE.


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Only for some high risk specializations. Average malpractice insurance seems to be just some low 5 figures, which is nothing when you're clearing mid 6 figures.

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Good luck with your case... That sounds difficult.

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They don't need a reason to fire you in Switzerland, which is why the pay is 3 times as much as in France.
There are two different things going on here and they should be kept seperate. What you write is essentially correct. It is much much more difficult for companies in neighboring countries like France, Germany and Italy to fire employees.

Swiss law requires that companies follow proper procedures when letting employees go. If they do not follow these proper procedures, they can be libel for damages.

Here are two examples...

1. A friend of mine was let go during the pandemic, allegedly for performance issues. He followed up with a lawyer and because the company had cut corners and was not careful while letting him go, he and his lawyer threatened to take this to court. The company settled for something less than 6 months salary. (By the way, my friend also confirmed that 6 months salary is considered the maximum settlement when the company does everything wrong.)

2. A distant family member is a lawyer in Zürich. She regularly tells our family stories about companies who don't follow proper processes while firing her clients for whom she wins settlements.
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A distant family member is a lawyer in Zürich. She regularly tells our family stories about companies who don't follow proper processes while firing her clients for whom she wins settlements.
Exactly ... I was once in a situation where I did hire an employment lawyer and could have escalated it to court, but this is a rare thing in Switzerland and only usually ends up with the above settlement. It cost me around 7500 CHF to scare my former employer into offering a fair termination - keep in mind I had been with my employer for many years and there was a legitimate and proven case against them. To me it was worth it, but since you are new in your position, financially it may not be.

Sorry OP, wish you the best, but sometimes you have to cut your losses and move on.
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I got fired because "I worked better and faster than the other employers" according to manager and CEO.

Fake reason in the letter: reorganization
You make the other employees unhappy so it's a valid reason, I had a similar issue is my filming looked better than everybody else, rather than let me train the others, who would then have wanted more money it was easier & cheaper to fire me
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Re: Employment lawyer sought.

it cost me around 1300 sfr to get a resume,which i can use and around 2 months , the resumes i received before i hired a lawyer were humiliating.
i did received a very good resume when my supervisor left the company, after
the change , it went fast downhill.
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You make the other employees unhappy so it's a valid reason..
I don't think this human behavior happens only at work.
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