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Old 09.04.2021, 16:49
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Good advice but you don't have to contact RAV until the first day of your unemployment. If you get given notice, look for a new job and get one, RAV wouldn't have ever needed to have heard from you.
Agreed. OP (or anybody else for that matter) doesn't need or have to, but most will want to.
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actually, it would be 25 days + 10 days(from 2020) + the overtimes and what we call flexible hours for a total of around 5 days but I am not sure those counts.

Grand total 40 days
With your contract presumably ending at the end of June you only get half of the total for 2021 ( 1/12 of the annual total per month ).
(ETA: Oops, didn't notice Sinking's post #34 until now)

Also note that any illness day on what's a contractual workday (even if that day is part of your garden leave)(not sure if that also applies to illness during a non-workday, e.g. weekend) will probably extend the notice period by one full month. This is because the job contract usually can only end on a month's end, and any illness day extends the cancel period into the next month. So, the first illness day will extend the notice period by one month, but the following 30 days would only fill up the gap until the end of July; the 32nd day would extend it into August, and thereby extend it by one additional month. AFAIK the equivalent applies to workdays where you're unable to work due to an accident.
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Good advice but you don't have to contact RAV until the first day of your unemployment. If you get given notice, look for a new job and get one, RAV wouldn't have ever needed to have heard from you.
Landers, I have some doubts about your statement.
Surprisingly, when I asked the HR how to register with RAV, they also suggested to wait until 1 month before the end of the contract.

Then I found this:

"If you have not started looking for a new job during your notice period, you will not be eligible to receive unemployment benefits for a certain period."
Ref:
https://www.arbeit.swiss/secoalv/en/...-schritte.html

I decided to register straight away as it is in my interest to find a job as soon as possible for two reason:
1) because of my work(ICT), if I don't practice I lose my skills quite rapidly.
2) I prefer to keep my work experience contiguous.

I can't think of being unemployed for 1 year for example..... and going for interview trying to explain why I struggle to get a new job.
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Old 10.04.2021, 11:43
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Landers, I have some doubts about your statement.
Surprisingly, when I asked the HR how to register with RAV, they also suggested to wait until 1 month before the end of the contract.

Then I found this:

"If you have not started looking for a new job during your notice period, you will not be eligible to receive unemployment benefits for a certain period."
Ref:
https://www.arbeit.swiss/secoalv/en/...-schritte.html

I decided to register straight away as it is in my interest to find a job as soon as possible for two reason:
1) because of my work(ICT), if I don't practice I lose my skills quite rapidly.
2) I prefer to keep my work experience contiguous.

I can't think of being unemployed for 1 year for example..... and going for interview trying to explain why I struggle to get a new job.
There seems to be a fallacy.

RAV does not find you a job. They don't even offer you any (they can usually only help with a very limited range of sectors), so your thought << I decided to register straight away as it is in my interest to find a job as soon as possible>> is not accurate.

It is you who has to find your new job. The point is that when you register with RAV when unemployment actually starts you have to bring all the proof that you looked for a job during the termination time, including whether you had interviews, what the results of each application was. They are also entitled to check your proof (by phoning the companies) if they feel there is a need for it.

So the thing is not to register with RAV as fast as possible (as someone mentioned, you might never need RAV) but to start searching a job and keep all the documentation of your search.
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RAV usually doesn't do anything until your 1st day of actual unemployment.

Why would they? You might find a job before being unemployed, or you might decide not to sign up for RAV for whatever reason.

It's actually more a bother for them than anything else as it add admin paperwork for somebody who is not entitled to unemployment benefits yet.

Are you now registered with RAV? What did they tell you?

As curley mentioned, RAV doesn't find you a job. They might (or might not) offer you training and courses, but not before you are officially unemployed.
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There seems to be a fallacy.

RAV does not find you a job. They don't even offer you any (they can usually only help with a very limited range of sectors), so your thought << I decided to register straight away as it is in my interest to find a job as soon as possible>> is not accurate.

It is you who has to find your new job. The point is that when you register with RAV when unemployment actually starts you have to bring all the proof that you looked for a job during the termination time, including whether you had interviews, what the results of each application was. They are also entitled to check your proof (by phoning the companies) if they feel there is a need for it.

So the thing is not to register with RAV as fast as possible (as someone mentioned, you might never need RAV) but to start searching a job and keep all the documentation of your search.
Thanks for pointing that out. When I wrote that, I was thing about the two advantages that RAV gives you:
1) you have access to job ads 5 days in advance
2) I heard that you get offered with trainings?

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Are you now registered with RAV? What did they tell you?

As curley mentioned, RAV doesn't find you a job. They might (or might not) offer you training and courses, but not before you are officially unemployed.
Yes, I have started the registration process as recommended on their website. 1st meeting next week.

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Thanks for pointing that out. When I wrote that, I was thing about the two advantages that RAV gives you:
1) you have access to job ads 5 days in advance
2) I heard that you get offered with trainings?
access to job ads 5 days in advance of whom? Companies will never report their vacancies to RAV only. There is a RAV-computer you have access to but most jobs you will find there are in the hospitality industry, building industry etc.

The trainings are mainly about how to apply for jobs eg write the letter, write the cv etc.. May be a very good thing for many but experienced people are bored to tears in those courses.

It's been ages since I was registered with RAV and while I did the "webpublisher SIZ" yes, they did finance an internship and I actually managed to get one at Swisscom web-factory. That was groovy yet entirely exceptional.

RAV is mainly controlling whether you do what you are supposed to do and if you don't, report it to the unemployment insurance fund, where they will shorten your unemployment money. They are already very busy doing that and while some consultants may be more helpful than others, they are limited in what they can do for you.

The basic line is: This is real life, being unemployed is your personal problem to solve. You get good financial support as long as you proof that you ARE in the process of solving your problem.
Nobody is gonna do it for you, they just give you some breathing space, keep you from starving and ending up under the bridge while you sort it.

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access to job ads 5 days in advance of whom? Companies will never report their vacancies to RAV only. There is a RAV-computer you have access to but most jobs you will find there are in the hospitality industry, building industry etc.
Actually, for a lot of jobs companies are required to announce their vacancies to RAV first; after 5 days, they can advertise jobs as they see fit.

This applies to every job that has a high level of unemployment:

https://www.arbeit.swiss/secoalv/en/...depflicht.html

Since 1 January 2020, employers have been legally required to register vacancies in occupations where the national unemployment rate is at least 5% with the regional employment centre (RAV).

The job vacancy has to be posted in the protected area of the unemployment insurance (ALV) ‘Job Room’ online job portal for five working days before it can be advertised elsewhere (blocking period).
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Actually, for a lot of jobs companies are required to announce their vacancies to RAV first; after 5 days, they can advertise jobs as they see fit.

This applies to every job that has a high level of unemployment:

https://www.arbeit.swiss/secoalv/en/...depflicht.html

Since 1 January 2020, employers have been legally required to register vacancies in occupations where the national unemployment rate is at least 5% with the regional employment centre (RAV).

The job vacancy has to be posted in the protected area of the unemployment insurance (ALV) ‘Job Room’ online job portal for five working days before it can be advertised elsewhere (blocking period).
Interesting info/link. Thanks.

Yet OP's job is explicitly not obliged to be registered in 2021.
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Interesting info/link. Thanks.

Yet OP's job is explicitly not obliged to be registered in 2021.
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Yeah, so the 5 day rule won't be very useful for him.

But working in IT industry usually means that you can find a new job pretty quickly.
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