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Dear all,
I need some informations before I register to RAV.
I want to register myself end of June but the problem is that Have programmed 1 week holiday end of July.
I will certainly get a penalty because I have resign on my own.
During last 3 month I have actively applied to jobs, I had some interviews. I am in touch with recruiters. I also have attended German course on my own.
Should I register and tell them about this 1 week holiday later or hide this fact and hope they will not notice it ? Will I also get a penalty days for that ?
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Old 07.05.2021, 08:58
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Re: RAV registration

I strongly recommend NEVER to lie to RAV about holidays and such. I have seen "smart" people lying about that and then they had an accident while on holiday ... good luck explaining that to your RAV consultant.

Of course there will be consequences if they find out! It's like telling your employer that you are working from home when, in reality, you are on a beach in Spain having fun.

When you register, tell them that you are not available during the last week of July. You won't be paid while away, obviously.
Or you can register from August 1st.
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Re: RAV registration

You earn paid holidays on RAV just like you do working. But the minimum holiday so maybe 4 weeks a year, so just shy of 2 days a month.

That said RAV people are pretty black and white box tickers although fairness to them there are a lot of dishonest people looking to trick the system.

Tell RAV when you signup, you already booked a vacation. If your lucky they'll wangle it so you can claim it as RAV vacation, worst case they simply put it down as unpaid leave, you won't be punished for taking a break.
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You earn paid holidays on RAV just like you do working. But the minimum holiday so maybe 4 weeks a year, so just shy of 2 days a month.

That said RAV people are pretty black and white box tickers although fairness to them there are a lot of dishonest people looking to trick the system.

Tell RAV when you signup, you already booked a vacation. If your lucky they'll wangle it so you can claim it as RAV vacation, worst case they simply put it down as unpaid leave, you won't be punished for taking a break.
According to here https://www.arbeit.swiss/secoalv/en/...edien/faq.html, it's only after 60 days of monitored unemployment that you become entitled for your first 5 monitoring-free days.

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"After 60 days of monitored unemployment you are entitled to five days of “leave from monitoring” (one week). These are days when you do not have to comply with the monitoring rules, do not have to make any efforts at finding work, and do not have to be ready for a job placement. You can also save up the five monitoring-free days, for example in order to use 10 days of “leave from monitoring” (two weeks) after a period of 120 days of monitored unemployment. You have to inform your RAV two weeks in advance when you are using your days of “leave”."

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Old 07.05.2021, 12:45
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why not to inform RAV and they simply shift your elegibility week later or whatever your holidays are.

being honest may earn you supported and having RAV on your side means a lot - imagine you may be offered a job that is not perfect when you awaiting interview for 'prefect job' at better pay later ... RAV is one to make you take it or give you space to do second option as it makes more sense .

People work with people - let them be open and call for honest help when you need it .
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Should I register and tell them about this 1 week holiday later or hide this fact and hope they will not notice it ? Will I also get a penalty days for that ?

Never assume that they people at the RAV or the Kasse are stupid, they have been doing this a lot longer than you and they know all the tricks. It's summertime, you have not earned any holiday entitlement, so it does not take a genius to suspect you might slip off for a week or two....


Trust is critical between you and your advisor. If they suspect you are not on the level, they can make life very difficult for you, so it is really not in your best interests to lie to them.


The best is to tell them up front that you have a week booked and acknowledge that you accept you'll be docked a week.
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Re: RAV registration

Depending on the circumstances that holiday may well be in the "waiting time" in any case so you wouldn't be losing money just that you wouldn't be available for work. All the people I know who've been on RAV have lied and cheated the system, usually going away on holiday, sometimes for weeks or months at a time. I would simply not mention it unless asked. In theory you can still look for work while away. If you get offered a job then you negotiate the start date accordingly. A friend of mine got a job offer and negotiated to start work some months into the future so he could go on holiday while still being paid by the RAV. They didn't insist on further evidence of looking for work nor did they need him to visit the RAV office.
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Depending on the circumstances that holiday may well be in the "waiting time" in any case so you wouldn't be losing money just that you wouldn't be available for work. All the people I know who've been on RAV have lied and cheated the system, usually going away on holiday, sometimes for weeks or months at a time. I would simply not mention it unless asked. In theory you can still look for work while away. If you get offered a job then you negotiate the start date accordingly. A friend of mine got a job offer and negotiated to start work some months into the future so he could go on holiday while still being paid by the RAV. They didn't insist on further evidence of looking for work nor did they need him to visit the RAV office.
You need to be available in 24 hours if RAV consultant calls you or if they assign you a job interview.

If somebody wants to "cheat" the system, fine, as long as possible consequences are clear.

Your friend had a job contract, so at that point RAV will leave you alone.
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