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Find a small job as a non eu

Hello there, I'm a non-eu that is planning on coming to Switzerland soon and I would like to get a job in order to be able to pay my insurances and other expenses. Is there any kind of job that I could apply for without having a higher education degree? Do you know any webpage where I could look for this type of jobs?

Just to let you know, I will live in a small village near a small city on the canton of Fribourg and my French is kind of decent but still needs to be polished.
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Re: Find a small job as a non eu

Once you’re here and you have your permit, then you can apply for jobs. Without specific qualifications you could get jobs maybe in a shop, cafe, bar, restaurant etc. But no point in applying until you have a permit as they won’t even look at your application.
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What type of permit will you have?

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Once you’re here and you have your permit, then you can apply for jobs. Without specific qualifications you could get jobs maybe in a shop, cafe, bar, restaurant etc. But no point in applying until you have a permit as they won’t even look at your application.
Oh I know that don't worry, I just wanted to know what my options are cause my partner was trying to help me look for some in the small city I mentioned before but didn't have that much luck haha.

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What type of permit will you have?
As far as I know I assume it's very likely they'll give me a permit B.
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Re: Find a small job as a non eu

Lots of people near me work work as dishwashers or housekeepers without much language skills or higher education.
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Re: Find a small job as a non eu

If you don't have to worry about permit, check anibis or petites annonces for offres d'emploi. Lots of 10,20 or even 50% time jobs.

https://www.anibis.ch/fr/c/emploi-offres-demploi

https://www.petitesannonces.ch/r/2528
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Oh I know that don't worry, I just wanted to know what my options are cause my partner was trying to help me look for some in the small city I mentioned before but didn't have that much luck haha.



As far as I know I assume it's very likely they'll give me a permit B.
It will depend a lot on your qualifications and if the job you're looking for belongs to an economic sector that is suffering from labour shortage.

Having a Swiss partner, believe it or not, is not necessarily an advantage. I know people from all over the world and with all sorts of situations and it was very difficult for some to get even a "small job" as you call it, despite having no worries in the work and residence permit department.
How old are you, what are your qualifications, which jobs would be of interest to you?
I don't want to spoil the joy of moving to a different culture etc, with all the enthusiasm and trust in one's abilities, but it may be an uphill battle. Prepare yourself for being rejected even when interviewing for "small jobs". No job is too small for this country, if you want to find a small job very quickly then move to Italy...for instance. Is there anything you can do as a self-employed? Teach languages, interpret, babysit, etc.
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Re: Find a small job as a non eu

A few years ago, the user Kiwi2Swiss started a thread about looking for jobs with no qualifications. Her circumstances were different from yours, but she is Swiss and she was wondering how her husband could find work. (They both did find work, too!)

There was something about the way Kiwi2Swiss wrote, and her manner, that was so appealingly friendly and appreciative that many, many people took the time to contribute to her thread. It grew to be, as far as I know, the longest, and in my opinion certainly one of it not the most useful thread on this forum, about finding work with no qualifications. Here it is. A lot to work through, but I hope that you will find some ideas in there.

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...fications.html
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Lots of people near me work work as dishwashers or housekeepers without much language skills or higher education.
I'm really glad to know that I hope it applies to a small city like Bulle.

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If you don't have to worry about permit, check anibis or petites annonces for offres d'emploi. Lots of 10,20 or even 50% time jobs.

https://www.anibis.ch/fr/c/emploi-offres-demploi

https://www.petitesannonces.ch/r/2528
Thank you so much I will look at them with my partner as soon as possible

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How old are you, what are your qualifications, which jobs would be of interest to you?
Is there anything you can do as a self-employed? Teach languages, interpret, babysit, etc.
Well first of all, I'm currently 18 years old, I'll turn 19 in August. Yes, I know, I'm very young and know that I said my age my idea of going there might sound even crazier than before, but I won't give up that easily

I'll will do whatever job I get with the best attitude and mood, I will learn one thing or two and earn a lot of experience either I succeed and I stay here or fail and have to come back to my country (Though I would really prefer the first option of course haha)

I'm also very high skilled on art, illustration and drawing (no diploma though, but I've got a very decent portfolio in my opinion) I don't know if there would be any jobs for that but it's still worth looking for one

Also, I'm a native Spanish speaker and my English skill level is very high so therefore I could try being an English teacher (or even a Spanish one if I find people interested on it) I've been in Learning Spanish groups to help people with their Spanish and to practice my English skills myself so I have some "experience" on that

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A few years ago, the user Kiwi2Swiss started a thread about looking for jobs with no qualifications. Her circumstances were different from yours, but she is Swiss and she was wondering how her husband could find work. (They both did find work, too!)

There was something about the way Kiwi2Swiss wrote, and her manner, that was so appealingly friendly and appreciative that many, many people took the time to contribute to her thread. It grew to be, as far as I know, the longest, and in my opinion certainly one of it not the most useful thread on this forum, about finding work with no qualifications. Here it is. A lot to work through, but I hope that you will find some ideas in there.

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...fications.html
I've read it entirely and I can tell that, in fact, is very useful (probably cause you were one of the many that lent their hand to her ). I'm happy that Kiwi got a good ending after all her hard effort. And yes the post gave me not only hopes but also ideas. As I mentioned to greenmount, I could try being an English or Spanish teacher or work on something related to art

The only downside I've got would be that I still need to polish my French skills a little bit but I bet I'll be able to do that once I move there cause or else I won't be able to speak to almost anybody haha (And I'm not telling this as a whine, I see it as a challenge and I like challenges )
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Re: Find a small job as a non eu

Mattunnoir, the various '24' sites are platforms to connect people seeking domestic jobs to families looking for help. The platforms are:

Homeservice24, for those offering cleaning, housekeeping, gardening type work:
https://homeservice24.ch/en?_ga=2.22...061.1622901396

Seniorservice24, for those offering care for older people:
https://seniorservice24.ch/en

Babysitting24, for those offering child care:
https://babysitting24.ch/en?_ga=2.22...203.1622901375

Tutor24, for those offering tutoring in school subjects:
https://tutor24.ch/en?_ga=2.19015536...445.1622459178

Petsitting24, for those offering animal care:
https://petsitting24.ch/en?_ga=2.808...264.1622901015

If you could offer domestic help, especially cleaning work, you could find a job fairly easily - although do be aware that your age might be a barrier for some jobs.

Domestic work pays better in Switzerland than in many countries, as long as you are working legally.

But there is something to consider: You'd likely be working alone, most of these jobs don't give you an opportunity to interact with others - which could slow down your mastery of French.

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But that aside - is pursuing higher education here part of your plan? If Switzerland is likely to be your future, I'd urge you to think long term and look to an education/career path.


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Not to burst your bubble, but teaching English could be difficult. The market is already saturated - and be aware that English is taught in schools. You'd likely need recognized qualifications. Also be aware that there is a marked preference for native speakers. I have no idea what the market for teaching Spanish is... but again, do consider qualifications.
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Mattunnoir, the various '24' sites are platforms to connect people seeking domestic jobs to families looking for help.
Ohhhh I didn't know about these sites :0 thank you so much for recommending them to me I'll look at them to see if I can find something

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If you could offer domestic help, especially cleaning work, you could find a job fairly easily - although do be aware that your age might be a barrier for some jobs.

Domestic work pays better in Switzerland than in many countries, as long as you are working legally.
I'm sure I can do that, I mean it's not rocket science or something like that haha. I know the age might be a crucial factor in this but I have so many options that I think I might be able to find something

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But there is something to consider: You'd likely be working alone, most of these jobs don't give you an opportunity to interact with others - which could slow down your mastery of French.
Well the only person on my partner's family that can speak English fluently is my partner so I'll have to speak in French with them either way haha

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But that aside - is pursuing higher education here part of your plan? If Switzerland is likely to be your future, I'd urge you to think long term and look to an education/career path.
Well my plan was that while I was working on minimum wage trying to stabilize myself I would start thinking about what kind job I would like to do or would be the better for my future on the long-term.

I successfully applied and been accepted into a prestigious university here in Peru a few years back to study an economics career. I did very well through my first year but during the second year I started to struggle and also I started thinking about vocational choices and stuff (Here in Peru university lasts five years by the way). I really liked it but I think I was too young back then and got overwhelmed with all that was going on in my surroundings.

But yeah I've been thinking about that and I've been researching and one of my options was to apply to the university of Geneva to study economics from scratch there. I could apply after 1 or 2 years from my arrival to Switzerland, and by then I'll probably be economically stabilized and will have learned the language (in this case French) to a whole new level, and after that I will have thought deeply what would be my final choice.

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Not to burst your bubble, but teaching English could be difficult. The market is already saturated - and be aware that English is taught in schools. You'd likely need recognized qualifications. Also be aware that there is a marked preference for native speakers. I have no idea what the market for teaching Spanish is... but again, do consider qualifications.
Don't worry, that was just an idea haha it's still worth trying though

All the best to you as well my dear friend.
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But yeah I've been thinking about that and I've been researching and one of my options was to apply to the university of Geneva to study economics from scratch there. I could apply after 1 or 2 years from my arrival to Switzerland, and by then I'll probably be economically stabilized and will have learned the language (in this case French) to a whole new level, and after that I will have thought deeply what would be my final choice.
At your age you do have plenty of choices to continue your studies not only University of Geneva and economics degrees. You might also consider various graphic arts vocational programmes after which you'll have a federal certificate for a career which could be more suitable for you (as per your posts). Don't feel like you have to pursue a certain career for some perceived future fat salary.

Keep polishing your French, that will really broaden your choices.

Bring any certificates or degrees you have. Take some Cambridge exams if you can and the equivalent for Spanish. First aid courses too if possible.

Good luck.
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Re: Find a small job as a non eu

With regard to possibly getting a qualification once you're in Switzerland, I'd like to recommend that, before you leave Peru, you diligently collect information on all the schools, colleges and universities that you have attended, plus any other courses or skills along the way.

Education
Many a cv simply states the name of the school and the level in that country, without any further information. That doesn't explain what you actually learnt. Instead, try to collect the actual syllabi with all the sub-components listed in some detail. If you can, obtain some work-sheets, or a link, that show the contents of each subject you took. Perhaps buy the books, or make photocopies of the important sections. Do this for all the schooling you did post-primary school, as well, as, of course, any tertiary courses you did, or even began. If your university had a system of credits necessary towards a degree, and if you completed any part of a course properly, obtain a certificate, from the university, of how many of the total number of courses you completed, to gain how many of the necessary credits in each subject.

As far as you have time to do so, get these papers translated into at least English, but preferably French and German.

Such documentation might help you to gain access to further education in Switzerland.

Skills and Experience
In addition to the academics, you might have obtained a certificate that you could swim, or even life-saving course. Or perhaps a babysitting course. Perhaps you were in the Scouts movement and earned some badges, or any other awards from any other youth group or religious organisation or summer school. If you already have any such skills, but no certificate to prove it, try to obtain a certificate, or at least a reference or testimonial, before you leave, ideally from someone in authority with a letterhead and a rubber stamp. If there's time to do any new such courses before you leave, do so. Similarly, go back to anyone for whom you've ever worked, even just part-time and also any work you did on a volunatary basis, and ask them to write you a reference. One way to get this done is for you to provide the outline (your full name, date of birth, civil status, date you started there, date you stopped, full description of the task you did) so that the employer need only add their personal comments about how they see you as an employee.

As far as you have time to do so, get these papers translated into at least English, but preferably French and German.

These kinds of certificates might help you to find work.
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At your age you do have plenty of choices to continue your studies not only University of Geneva and economics degrees. You might also consider various graphic arts vocational programmes after which you'll have a federal certificate for a career which could be more suitable for you (as per your posts). Don't feel like you have to pursue a certain career for some perceived future fat salary.
I know but sadly (as far as I've researched in other parts of the world) they prefer a good portfolio over a diploma when it comes to art (and sadly in Peru it's even worse cause they consider art as "useless" and a "waste of time and money") , that's why I decided to study arts by myself and succeeded on that. There's such a wide library of knowledge related to art on the internet that I have used to improve my artistic skills

The other reasons I didn't pursue an art career and chose economics in Peru instead are:
1-) I like economics topics in a certain way and I know the degree would give me a lot of job opportunities (either I gain a high salary or not) and the knowledge I gained/ I will gain will still be quite useful.
2-) Family pressure

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Keep polishing your French, that will really broaden your choices.
If this plan of mine that I wanna make in a few months doesn't work out I'll start taking a French course so I can not only improve my language skills but also get the certification to apply to study there or to get a job in a few years
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I know but sadly (as far as I've researched in other parts of the world) they prefer a good portfolio over a diploma when it comes to art (and sadly in Peru it's even worse cause they consider art as "useless" and a "waste of time and money") , that's why I decided to study arts by myself and succeeded on that. There's such a wide library of knowledge related to art on the internet that I have used to improve my artistic skills

The other reasons I didn't pursue an art career and chose economics in Peru instead are:
1-) I like economics topics in a certain way and I know the degree would give me a lot of job opportunities (either I gain a high salary or not) and the knowledge I gained/ I will gain will still be quite useful.
2-) Family pressure
I sensed that.

Maybe you'll find a programme here that gives better employment opportunities and also allows you to follow your vocation (e.g. curating,
visual arts and pedagogy). Art is not useless. If anything, we need more!

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Career in humanities puts even more pressure on mastering the local language, OP. Studying at uni here needs you mastering the language. Courage! Any degree you have incl. highschool - you need an original copy of your diploma, diploma supplement (explaining program and listing all courses taken), grade transcripts, course designs.

Fribourg is fabulous, the city itself often hosts various artists, the culture scene is hopping, I am often there. Why study in Geneva when there is a big uni in Fribourg.

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Damn... Kiwi was right, it quite stunning to see how people of this forum are willing to help total strangers with their doubts about this beautiful country, thank you so much for everything, I really am thankful

I've got some bad news though... seems like the parents of my partner were thinking I would only stay for vacations for a month or two (even though my partner explained to them the situation multiple times) but now that they finally understood that I wanted to move and stay for a while in their house they kind of refused not because they didn't want to, it was because they couldn't afford it, so no moving to Switzerland for me for now (unless I find a place to stay or someone to stay with which is unlikely) and since Peru is not on the SEM list of not high-risk countries I cannot go just to visit either .

It kind of hurt cause my partner and I have been preparing all this paperwork and stuff for around 1-2 months now and the fact that everything is going to the rubbish can (at least in the short term) feels like... damn

Don't worry tho, my partner and I figured out another plan for both the short and long term and this experience of getting all the paperwork done and investigating about will not be in vain, not only it'll be quite useful when I'm finally able to move when my partner finishes her studies, but also I met such wonderful and caring people here and I'm really glad I had the guts to ask about it here . Also this means I've got enough time to polish my French skills and maybe get something done by myself (some kind of certification, a job, etc). I'm planning on getting into a French course here where I live for the next 1-2 years, with the knowledge I already have I think it might be enough for me to polish my language skills to get a job or an education when I finally move there thank goodness Spanish and French are quite similar haha.

If someone has an idea or opinion on how I could go there this August is totally welcome, but if not is okay thank you for everything, really

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