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Job Application Rejected

Hi,

For the last year, I sent more than 100 applications to work in Switzerland and I always end up receiving an email rejecting the application without even a chance to get an interview.

I have 5 years of experience in IT as a full stack developer and a master's degree. My experience is also in some of the most recognized companies.
I always send my resume and a cover letter that I write specifically to the offer.

Since I live in Portugal, should I send any more documents in order to have more chances?
I only speak Portuguese, Spanish, English and almost no French, can the lack of German and French be an obstacle?


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More documents won't help; if they want any more they'd ask for them.

You may need to tailor your CV to the Swiss market. Also are the jobs you're applying for looking for people with German/French? It could also be there are plenty of people who already live/work here in Switzerland applying and the government puts emphasis on employing those people first over outside applications.
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Hi,

For the last year, I sent more than 100 applications to work in Switzerland and I always end up receiving an email rejecting the application without even a chance to get an interview.

I have 5 years of experience in IT as a full stack developer and a master's degree. My experience is also in some of the most recognized companies.
I always send my resume and a cover letter that I write specifically to the offer.

Since I live in Portugal, should I send any more documents in order to have more chances?
I only speak Portuguese, Spanish, English and almost no French, can the lack of German and French be an obstacle?


Thanks,
Marcelo
1) You live in Portugal
2) You do not speak any local language

Alone, one of those may not be a significant barrier to getting a job, but both of them together will very likely mean that you are not competitive with other applicants who either live in or around Switzerland (eg: Germany, France and Italy) and/or speak a local language.

The IT developer market is also increasingly saturated at the moment due to the ever-increasing amount of people specialising in coding in IT and computer science degrees over the last years... it's exploded in popularity along with the higher levels of IT literacy of recent generations.
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Re: Job Application Rejected

Living here for several years I can tell that the job market in Switzerland is not normal, it's unique, highly competitive. Living in Switzerland is really great, work condition are good, salaries are good, taxes awesomely low, but... it's the job market where you have to follow what's going on, feel the vibes and adapt, rather than choosing a career of your liking, be good at it and live happily thereafter. You have to push your boundaries, really want to succeed to eventually succeed. Good luck!
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People who are already residents can send 100+ applications and still get rejected... it is a tough market and you need skills that set you above the rest of qualified individuals already residing here.
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Hi,

For the last year, I sent more than 100 applications to work in Switzerland and I always end up receiving an email rejecting the application without even a chance to get an interview.

I have 5 years of experience in IT as a full stack developer and a master's degree. My experience is also in some of the most recognized companies.
I always send my resume and a cover letter that I write specifically to the offer.

Since I live in Portugal, should I send any more documents in order to have more chances?
I only speak Portuguese, Spanish, English and almost no French, can the lack of German and French be an obstacle?


Thanks,
Marcelo
So basically since that start of the pandemic.... with people working from home, projects being postponed or canceled etc... not really the time to be looking to move country and find a new job.

Give it another six months and see how it goes.
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Old 07.06.2021, 10:19
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Re: Job Application Rejected

There is a shortage of good fullstack developers, at least German speaking, so lack of local language skills is probably the reason. My son's current employer is finding it very difficult to find talent. As was his previous employer. That previous employer took him on straight out of his Physics masters, but he is a fluent German speaker and understands dialect.

English only speaking roles are rarer, so the more likely to be filled by people already here.
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You may need to tailor your CV to the Swiss market.
This.

Marcelo, did you include a photo of yourself, birth date, marital status on the CV? If you think this is discrimination, that doesn't apply around here.

Also, the pandemic caused an economic slowdown. Lots of people in reduced work time or unemployment. Maybe, it's simply not the right time.
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For the last year, I sent more than 100 applications to work
Last year = last 12 months? there was a pandemy, it was very difficult to get a new job, in another country.

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I always send my resume and a cover letter that I write specifically to the offer.
Resume in Switzerland are quite singular, sometimes they requires experiences in reverted order (oldest to newest), having a picture and family satus is a must (or at least it was like that 3 years ago, not 30) ... plus having an address outside the country is likely to make HR put your CV away. Switzerland have some political and economical issues with companies employing people abroad with a swiss salary, so they tend to avoid doing that and they cut short in their search for candidates.
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Since I live in Portugal, should I send any more documents in order to have more chances?
Maybe, if applying to a general swiss company you are expected to attach your (translated) high school diploma. Ask HR about that before applying. Please note that the company interested in you should also apply for your working permit, justifying they could not find in Switzerland someone with your skills. Vey difficult.
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I only speak Portuguese, Spanish, English and almost no French, can the lack of German and French be an obstacle?
Absolutely yes. If you work a bit on your french it will be already very helpful. Try to move to Luxembourg before Switzerland, you may take advantage of your expat network there.
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Please note that the company interested in you should also apply for your working permit, justifying they could not find in Switzerland someone with your skills. Vey difficult.

Absolutely yes. If you work a bit on your french it will be already very helpful. Try to move to Luxembourg before Switzerland, you may take advantage of your expat network there.
OP is from Portugal, no needs to apply for his permit.

Well, I don't know if it's true or just an urban legend, but if it really makes a difference if you are in Switzerland already or abroad, put in your application that you are in Switzerland. When asked, you'll explain that you are abroad on vacation. Simple.
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Old 07.06.2021, 17:02
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OP is from Portugal, no needs to apply for his permit.

Well, I don't know if it's true or just an urban legend, but if it really makes a difference if you are in Switzerland already or abroad, put in your application that you are in Switzerland. When asked, you'll explain that you are abroad on vacation. Simple.
Don‘t lie on your CV as the chances are good that they will find out. And it can be a reason for dismissal.

Rather mention something that you have relatives or friends you can stay with
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Re: Job Application Rejected

It might be worthwhile getting help from someone with writing a standard cover letter in German or French, mentioning you have started studying whichever language it is, and hope to get to a working level by whatever timeframe (include a list of languages you could work in "today").



Cover letters can often be reused, or only require slight amendments to make them applicable to the next job application.


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OP is from Portugal, no needs to apply for his permit.

Well, I don't know if it's true or just an urban legend, but if it really makes a difference if you are in Switzerland already or abroad, put in your application that you are in Switzerland. When asked, you'll explain that you are abroad on vacation. Simple.
If I were hiring, I'd be more interested in someone who already lives here. I wouldn't want to feel extra bad if it didn't work out and they didn't make it through the probationary period.
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  • Specify that you are EU and therefore getting a permit is no problem.
  • If you are single, write that. "civil status: single".
  • Add "ready to relocate" and "willing to travel to Switzerland for interview, if not online".
  • Begin to learn a local Swiss language of the area in which you are applying. Learn it some more. And then some more. State your level of ability in your application, and that you are working on improving this.
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If I were hiring, I'd be more interested in someone who already lives here. I wouldn't want to feel extra bad if it didn't work out and they didn't make it through the probationary period.
I can somewhat understand your concerns, but changing the side of view, you demonstrate that you lean towards unjustified discrimination. Basically, if someone is applying for a job you should feel happy you can give the opportunity. Everyone understand that they are subject to probation period.

However, some people raise the concern that when someone comes here for the first time he/she might simply not like it and leave within a few months. That's a fair concern as then everything starts all over again.
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I can somewhat understand your concerns, but changing the side of view, you demonstrate that you lean towards unjustified discrimination. Basically, if someone is applying for a job you should feel happy you can give the opportunity. Everyone understand that they are subject to probation period.

However, some people raise the concern that when someone comes here for the first time he/she might simply not like it and leave within a few months. That's a fair concern as then everything starts all over again.
Well, I wouldn't call it unjustified discrimination. I can see his point; if it doesn't work out then the employee has made a major life change for nothing.

Also there is the very real "discrimination" that the Swiss authorities encourage employers to hire people who already have a permit to live/work here. That's partly to help keep unemployment down and also to help prevent wage dumping where they hire people at lower than the going rate for the job.
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I can somewhat understand your concerns, but changing the side of view, you demonstrate that you lean towards unjustified discrimination. Basically, if someone is applying for a job you should feel happy you can give the opportunity.
What planet are you on?
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Two things:
1. Get in touch with a decent agency and speak to someone there. I've happily dealt with Swisslinx before
C. Face the fact that you're not here and that's an easy cut when many applications are coming into a company

Do you fine-tune your CV per job application? Do you include a cover letter?
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Marcelo, did you include a photo of yourself, birth date, marital status on the CV? If you think this is discrimination, that doesn't apply around here.
Discrimination exists just that it's allowed. Applications often get rejected simply based on exotic sounding names. If your photo shows you as white you might stand a better chance.
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Hi,

For the last year, I sent more than 100 applications to work in Switzerland and I always end up receiving an email rejecting the application without even a chance to get an interview.

I have 5 years of experience in IT as a full stack developer and a master's degree. My experience is also in some of the most recognized companies.
I always send my resume and a cover letter that I write specifically to the offer.

Since I live in Portugal, should I send any more documents in order to have more chances?
I only speak Portuguese, Spanish, English and almost no French, can the lack of German and French be an obstacle?


Thanks,
Marcelo

Its definitely your location.

I have been living in Switzerland for 2 years. Originally from the UK, so I can only speak English. Can speak German at A1 level which isn't nowhere near good enough for employment level.

I have been working in IT for over 16 years, on my 2nd job here and currently hunting job. Nearly every week, I have been having interviews. The pandemic hasn't slowed down anything.


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Discrimination exists just that it's allowed. Applications often get rejected simply based on exotic sounding names. If your photo shows you as white you might stand a better chance.

That is true but I am black and still being called back for 2nd and 3rd interviews. So its not all bad

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