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Old 07.06.2021, 23:02
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I hope today you do not have to give up citizenship just for one crazy nights in Vegas ;-)
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and (something new) - seems now for EU/EFTA that does work or starts work in CH - there is no anymore financial check - just apartment size for family size must be meet ..

"Handelt es sich um eine Arbeitnehmerin oder einen Arbeitnehmer, so ist das Recht auf Familien- nachzug nicht an die finanzielle Situation gebunden."

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If it is an employee, the right to family reunification is not tied to the financial situation."
Indeed, when I was asked to fill the F1 Form, had to write how many Rooms the flat we rent has got. Go figure. what if a Family rents a huge 200 mr Loft with only 1 Room.....
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Old 07.06.2021, 23:23
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Normally no such things here.

Tom
Cynical or u mean it?

In Germany its quite common. For example, now that I just started my unemployment time, I received by Post a Coupon (so a full funding) of B2 German Course, and many good Schools accept that here.

Same goes for BootCamps, for example Full Stack Courses.
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Old 07.06.2021, 23:30
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Cynical or u mean it?
I mean it.

I'm even Swiss, no such courses when I was unemployed.

We are NOT in Germany here.

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Old 07.06.2021, 23:56
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Cynical or u mean it?

In Germany its quite common. For example, now that I just started my unemployment time, I received by Post a Coupon (so a full funding) of B2 German Course, and many good Schools accept that here.

Same goes for BootCamps, for example Full Stack Courses.
Of course cynical. Switzerland provides even childcare when you assist to the subsidized language courses.
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Of course cynical. Switzerland provides even childcare when you assist to the subsidized language courses.
So he was joking.... ?

I mean, I assume every Country has a so called RAV not just for handing out Money.
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Old 08.06.2021, 09:35
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So he was joking.... ?

I mean, I assume every Country has a so called RAV not just for handing out Money.

RAV is just to get you into work :-) The money comes from elsewhere


No idea how easy it is to get a language course from them RAV but there are a lot of online tools available you could start with?
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Old 08.06.2021, 09:46
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So he was joking.... ?
No, but Axa was.

"Free childcare"?

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No, but Axa was.

"Free childcare"?

Tom
Hemm, i get a feeling there is some sense of Humour here in the Forum that I needs to get familiar with
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Hemm, i get a feeling there is some sense of Humour here in the Forum that I needs to get familiar with
No, you are not entitled to RAV payments unless you have full time child care organised as you would not be available to work if looking after children.
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Old 08.06.2021, 10:01
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So he was joking.... ?

I mean, I assume every Country has a so called RAV not just for handing out Money.
Sorry I was more of an cynic than Tom (st2lemans)...and that's something worrying.

In principle, social insurance like RAV is less comprehensive in CH compared to other countries in Europe. That's the very reason the negotiations between the EU and Switzerland failed a few weeks ago.

Next thing I'd do is stop thinking CH is a country and think more about the canton you plan to move. Swiss RAV rules are supposed to be the same, but the implementation is different in every canton.

Now, a part I don't know much but you can start looking how to solve the problem. Swiss RAV asks for residence in Switzerland to let you register, but to register in Switzerland you either need a job or a fat bank account. Or just register your and your kids as family reunion.
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I assume every Country has a so called RAV not just for handing out Money.
This the line of thinking "Companies have HR offices for the benefit of the employees".

That's a huge no.

Anyhow, back to RAV in Switzerland, you at best can see it as doing these two things:

- releasing some money from SECO to another entity that then will finally give you the money, certifying that you are doing all that is required to get a job (keep in mind: all that is required, not your best, that may not be enough);

- the degree of support you receive is very dependent on the individual RAV tutor/mentor you get. At best you should expect someone willing to talk you in English and providing you some access to courses that will improve very slightly your CV by (let's quantify) 5%. Or, to say it otherwise, it may provide you tremendous help in finding a job in the health sector (specialization degree: less than a nurse). Keep in mind that not speaking German in SZ will be a -75% in your CV, not having previous working experience in Switzerland will be another additional -75% and these two things will not be solved by RAV. Even the German course they provide is up to the level "understand order in a kebab shop during night shift" so you can get a job as "nightshift - leader AKA night time employee of king kebab".

RAV is not there to help you. RAV is a public office set pu to prevent money being wasted, where wasted is decided according to criteria drawn by a population whose 30% votes a party that puts forward the crappiest subset of social and macroeconomic ideas, leading to a country in desperate need of cheap foreign workforce while despising them.

So, back to RAV: the soft help you are looking for, it really depends on the specific mentor you are assigned to, forget your technical skill (in the sense of taking them for granted, they were enough to get a job in Germany, and focus on the other skills), brush up your German, speed up dini schwiiiz and good luck!
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What do you mean by the last Sentence?

I am more interested in being registered in the RAV and get non-Financial Benefits (sure the Money would be great as well), such as getting advanced German Course, access to professional Courses and so on.
Think about it logically: Why should you become Switzerland's "problem" simply because you choose to move? Even if they don't pay you unemployment benefits, the time and infrastructure you require still costs money, as would the courses you mention. Plus, your wife has a job, why would you burden the system voluntarily? There are plenty of affordable resources to improve on your skills on your own.
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Re: RAV benefits, moving from DE to CH

Even within the EU it seems you can only take your benefits abroad (within the EU) for up to 3 months (in some cases can be extended to 6), so I wouldn't imagine that Switzerland would be any more generous (particularly under current circumstances).

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...s/index_de.htm
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Sorry I was more of an cynic than Tom (st2lemans)...and that's something worrying.
What's worrying is that you are neither the first, not the last.

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Old 08.06.2021, 18:46
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Switzerland is a country for an old man
not a man with family
and certainly not for unemployed (until you been working here already - even then it's not).

you get nothing for childcare and cost fortune (3k/month per child).
you get nothing fro RAV except they push you to send job applications

if you want to learn - do it in your free time - that's pretty much a message and there is jobs - plenty of it - get a truck driving license - work 8h/day , learn and become bank CEO however there isn't one thing given - except for eduction maybe (free university being in top-5 world-wide is
unique !)
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Even within the EU it seems you can only take your benefits abroad (within the EU) for up to 3 months (in some cases can be extended to 6), so I wouldn't imagine that Switzerland would be any more generous (particularly under current circumstances).

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...s/index_de.htm
THey be happy to get your 3-months money

however if that is not sufficient to cover minimum of what they believe is required - you be asked to cross the border on one way ticket
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Switzerland is a country for an old man
not a man with family
and certainly not for unemployed (until you been working here already - even then it's not).

you get nothing for childcare and cost fortune (3k/month per child).
you get nothing fro RAV except they push you to send job applications

if you want to learn - do it in your free time - that's pretty much a message and there is jobs - plenty of it - get a truck driving license - work 8h/day , learn and become bank CEO however there isn't one thing given - except for eduction maybe (free university being in top-5 world-wide is
unique !)
On the other hand and not related to the topic, also a country where you can build up savings and retirement money, more than in any other country Ive ever worked in. Hoping to retire early latest next year due to that
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On the other hand and not related to the topic, also a country where you can build up savings and retirement money, more than in any other country Ive ever worked in. Hoping to retire early latest next year due to that
I couldn't agree more ... but one pays for it dearly
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I am married to a Swiss. At the time of applying for my B permit I was an EU citizen, they asked for my work contract - I was like "why do you need that I'm married?". I was told, provide my work contract, or they'd need proof my Swiss husband earned enough to support me.
Although if your husband was EU I don't think this would apply.
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