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RAV benefits, moving from DE to CH

I have read all relevant "RAV" results on the forum and also searched all the info in the Swiss Government related sites, and still, I do not have exact answer and would be happy to hear if someone has had similar experience.

I am a non EU/EFTA Citizen and my Wife is Swiss, we live now in Germany and I have a German Permit saying "Married to a EU Citizen" or something similar...

My Wife found a new job in CH and so we are moving next Month, meanwhile, after we decided about the Move there were some lay offs at the Company I worked for and I got a Contract Termination agreement, so now I am registered in DE at the ArbeitsAgentur and just received my 1st Unemployment Benefits.

I have been working and paying here the Unemployment Insurance for 3.5 Years. According to the info I found, I may apply at the CH RAV upon arriving to CH, based on the fact that I contributed in DE for the Unemployment Insurance, is that correct?

I find it hard to understand the law in CH, one time I saw that it doe snot matter what my Citizenship is, and one time it looks like that Law is for EU Citizens coming from DE.

If possible, does anybody have experience with getting funded Language/professional related Courses from RAV in order to get a better chance at the Swiss Market? I am 42 with 2 Kids, looking for a Software Testing position, feels like it is not going to be a joyride in CH without perfect German.

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Re: RAV benefits, moving from DE to CH

I feel it is better if you carry with you your German unemployment. It is something that must be discussed with the relevant office in Germany, stating that you are going to look for a job in Switzerland. They may or may not allow you, but in general up to 3 months of work search abroad are guaranteed.
Better to ask in the Toytown forum.

Then, you move to Switzerland and hopefully you found a job. If not, RAV can support you (kind of), but it will not give you money unless you worked in Switzerland for at least one year (anybody: please correct me if I am wrong).

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getting funded Language/professional related Courses from RAV
This is tricky, they will fund you just to get a working proficiency for **any** job, not for your profession. Much better if you already bring your german to B level at least, with certificate&so on (not necessarily the expensive Goethe, here the RAV provides the language course through Migros...), then the RAV may look at you in a nicer way and provide you some support

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feels like it is not going to be a joyride in CH without perfect German.
Switzerland: welcome to the land where no one speaks perfect German! You just need to claim you speak German, and then being able to speak a bit.
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I feel it is better if you carry with you your German unemployment. It is something that must be discussed with the relevant office in Germany, stating that you are going to look for a job in Switzerland. They may or may not allow you, but in general up to 3 months of work search abroad are guaranteed.
Better to ask in the Toytown forum.

Then, you move to Switzerland and hopefully you found a job. If not, RAV can support you (kind of), but it will not give you money unless you worked in Switzerland for at least one year (anybody: please correct me if I am wrong).



This is tricky, they will fund you just to get a working proficiency for **any** job, not for your profession. Much better if you already bring your german to B level at least, with certificate&so on (not necessarily the expensive Goethe, here the RAV provides the language course through Migros...), then the RAV may look at you in a nicer way and provide you some support



Switzerland: welcome to the land where no one speaks perfect German! You just need to claim you speak German, and then being able to speak a bit.
Thanks for the reply. I will ask in ToyTown, I already asked at the ArbeitsAgentur and they were not so happy with, guess I willl check with the Rechtschutz, as from what I read here and ask people around, I should be granted that possibility of 3 Months Minimum.

Regarding RAV Unemployment Money, I hope you are wrong as from what I read it is possible, just not sure if it is only for EU Members:

"Weitere Beitragszeiten
In einem EU-EFTA-Staat erworbene Beitragszeiten werden Ihnen angerechnet, wenn Sie nach der Einreise in die Schweiz eine beitragspflichtige Beschäftigung ausgeübt haben.

Mindestens drei Wochen dauernder schweizerischer Militär-, Zivil- und Schutzdienst zählt auch als Beitragszeit. Hingegen zählt im Ausland absolvierter Militärdienst von niedergelassenen Ausländern und Ausländerinnen nicht als Beitragszeit."
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Re: RAV benefits, moving from DE to CH

That states that you have to have worked in Switzerland before you can apply for RAV.
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Re: RAV benefits, moving from DE to CH

The OP could export his German unemployment benefits to Switzerland and should obtain the form U2 (or PD-U2) in Germany before coming to Switzerland. The OP should then register with Swiss RAV upon arrival.

For more information, please see this link:

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...s/index_en.htm
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Re: RAV benefits, moving from DE to CH

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"Weitere Beitragszeiten
In einem EU-EFTA-Staat erworbene Beitragszeiten werden Ihnen angerechnet, wenn Sie nach der Einreise in die Schweiz eine beitragspflichtige Beschäftigung ausgeübt haben.
The key is "nach der Einreise".
To get unemployment you need to have worked for one year nuinterrupted or one complete year over the previous two years (sorry, I am saying these things by heart, so they may be wrong), but if you start working in Switzerland then they count also the time you worked abroad (I guess it must be uninterrupted ...).

So, since you are alreday unemployed, do not count on RAV money.

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The OP could export his German unemployment benefits to Switzerland and should obtain the form U2 (or PD-U2) in Germany before coming to Switzerland. The OP should then register with Swiss RAV upon arrival.

For more information, please see this link:

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...s/index_en.htm
Please note that this is bureaucracy at the highest level: the money are still the German unemployment money, RAV just confirms your unemployment status in Switzerland ...
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Re: RAV benefits, moving from DE to CH

Where in Switzerland are you intending to be? If Basel, you could locate yourselves just over the border in Germany, which may suit both your needs.
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Re: RAV benefits, moving from DE to CH

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That states that you have to have worked in Switzerland before you can apply for RAV.
This could turn out to be an interesting thread. Can an unemployed German resident (non EU/EFTA Citizen) married to a Swiss claim RAV benefits w/o any previous connection to CH? I’d imagine the family per se is okay under whatever permit is applicable but don’t recognize any rights to RAV. If, as ever so often, I’m proved wrong: how does ALV go about recovering the probably not very high original deductions from the OP’s German payslip?
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The OP could export his German unemployment benefits to Switzerland and should obtain the form U2 (or PD-U2) in Germany before coming to Switzerland. The OP should then register with Swiss RAV upon arrival.

For more information, please see this link:

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...s/index_en.htm
Thank you, exactly what i was looking for !
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Re: RAV benefits, moving from DE to CH

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Where in Switzerland are you intending to be? If Basel, you could locate yourselves just over the border in Germany, which may suit both your needs.
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Re: RAV benefits, moving from DE to CH

I have read some time ago of similar case and even so - person was denied permit after 3-months (which does apply to all non-swiss) on grounds that benefit paid by 3rd country would not cover basic survival in CH.

OP is in different situation as he has family/wife which can always ask for social help - however CH is not a country to go to for unemployment benefits
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I have read some time ago of similar case and even so - person was denied permit after 3-months (which does apply to all non-swiss) on grounds that benefit paid by 3rd country would not cover basic survival in CH.

OP is in different situation as he has family/wife which can always ask for social help - however CH is not a country to go to for unemployment benefits
What do you mean by the last Sentence?

I am more interested in being registered in the RAV and get non-Financial Benefits (sure the Money would be great as well), such as getting advanced German Course, access to professional Courses and so on.
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Re: RAV benefits, moving from DE to CH

To be honest you might want to be careful. In order for you to get a Swiss residence permit, your wife will have to say she will be financially responsible for you, you will be her dependant. If you are applying to RAV, it might harm your permit chances.
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What do you mean by the last Sentence?
That case I described doesn't apply to you as in case there would be grounds for your permit to be revoked should you not find job after 3-months , you can't be deemed a public charge as your wife is Swiss - and that could mean
- your combined income is below survival minimum (Egistenzminimum) so be entitled to social benefits - and of course you can stay.
- your combined income be above. - so you good to stay regardless of your employment status.

so either case you covered. RAV and trainings - it be different story I guess so I'd not have experience there ... I wouldn't know what you do - but certainly there is courses online that are like 100x cheaper and since your wife likely speaks German - just start talking and have a lot of laughing about it
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I am more interested in being registered in the RAV and get non-Financial Benefits (sure the Money would be great as well), such as getting advanced German Course, access to professional Courses and so on.
Normally no such things here.

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To be honest you might want to be careful. In order for you to get a Swiss residence permit, your wife will have to say she will be financially responsible for you, you will be her dependant. If you are applying to RAV, it might harm your permit chances.
That would not happen . Person from outside of EU would have B-permit with statment "married to Swiss" and yearly renewal - and be required to live with the spouse . There is no financial check in this - as Swiss spouse is entitled to social help for herself and entire family - where husband is part of it

However what you describe is the case for Non-Swiss married - there minimum income to secure living must be proven when relocating entire family to CH (in some cases spouses have no right to go to work)
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There is no financial check in this - as Swiss spouse is entitled to social help for herself and entire family - where husband is part of it
I am married to a Swiss. At the time of applying for my B permit I was an EU citizen, they asked for my work contract - I was like "why do you need that I'm married?". I was told, provide my work contract, or they'd need proof my Swiss husband earned enough to support me.
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I am married to a Swiss. At the time of applying for my B permit I was an EU citizen, they asked for my work contract - I was like "why do you need that I'm married?". I was told, provide my work contract, or they'd need proof my Swiss husband earned enough to support me.
Interesting to hear - yes, I guess person working in the community office (Gemainde) never had such a case so was easy to follow "standard operational procedure" .

that (financial) requirement only apply for family unification for Non-Swiss ( as on many grounds spouse often doesn't have permit to work after is in CH ).
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Re: RAV benefits, moving from DE to CH

and (something new) - seems now for EU/EFTA that does work or starts work in CH - there is no anymore financial check - just apartment size for family size must be meet ..

"Handelt es sich um eine Arbeitnehmerin oder einen Arbeitnehmer, so ist das Recht auf Familien- nachzug nicht an die finanzielle Situation gebunden."

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If it is an employee, the right to family reunification is not tied to the financial situation."
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Interesting to hear - yes, I guess person working in the community office (Gemainde) never had such a case so was easy to follow "standard operational procedure" .

that (financial) requirement only apply for family unification for Non-Swiss ( as on many grounds spouse often doesn't have permit to work after is in CH ).
I married a Swiss, but as I already had an unrestricted B, the only issue was that my wife had married me in the US without pre-advising them that she wanted to stay Swiss.

Fortunately, this had happened to the sister of a Swiss layer friend when she married in Germany, so he knew what to do.

Mountains of paperwork, CHF 35, and 6 months later, she was finally married and still Swiss.

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