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2019 was a bad year. I worked 75-80h per week. Then study for masters on weekend. Boss was coming to work in his jaguar. We worked. But I was angry. Shouted at everybody. Friends. Family. Lost friends.
So, I quit. Had 1 month vacation. At home because covid. Then started new job. Remote work. Low salary but low pressure.
Now after corona they say, everybody in the office. But they are not in Switzerland. With a low salary I can not commute. I can not pay for traveling costs and hotel every week. Maybe sleep in car.
I have good health insurance in switzerland. If I move, it will disappear. Forever. I want to keep it.
After one year even I do not have energy to start a job again. I think with pressure I start shouting again. And lose all jobs. And new boss will not want lazy employee. Employee who can not even get up in the morning.
What options?
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Old 21.06.2021, 06:39
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Talk to your doctor and at the very least get blood pressure, blood sugar, sleeping and depression all checked.... and a general blood test to check for things like iron levels and key vitamins...



All of these can contribute to outbursts of anger if they are not in the healthy range...



Today is the solstice - longest sunny day for the year.... we're all sleeping less in our household right now -the birds were up well-before 5am this morning, chirping outside, plus the heat.... it's a great time to get outdoors early in the morning and do some fitness before the work day begins. Do you 'talk and walk' for some of your work meetings ? I recommend it ! I can't say it helps my mood to be woken at 4am by the birds, 5:15 by my husband's alarm going off, and 6:15 when my youngest child gets up to get ready for school....I rarely do well when awake before 7am...
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Old 21.06.2021, 06:48
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May not be possible for them.

https://www.englishforum.ch/family-m...eel-chair.html
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Old 21.06.2021, 07:26
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OP was told 10-15 years and they will be in a wheelchair. Most common reason for this type of advise is probably type 2 diabetes....



And people in wheelchairs can and certainly must do fitness!
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2019 was a bad year. I worked 75-80h per week. Then study for masters on weekend. Boss was coming to work in his jaguar. We worked. But I was angry. Shouted at everybody. Friends. Family. Lost friends.
So, I quit. Had 1 month vacation. At home because covid. Then started new job. Remote work. Low salary but low pressure.
Now after corona they say, everybody in the office. But they are not in Switzerland. With a low salary I can not commute. I can not pay for traveling costs and hotel every week. Maybe sleep in car.
I have good health insurance in switzerland. If I move, it will disappear. Forever. I want to keep it.
After one year even I do not have energy to start a job again. I think with pressure I start shouting again. And lose all jobs. And new boss will not want lazy employee. Employee who can not even get up in the morning.
What options?
Trollolololol... almost nothing about this story is believable when all statements are combined.
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What options? Go to the doctor perhaps ...

Where are you from? Is Swiss insurance really better here? As it is quite expensive in comparison to many other EU countries. Are you legally able to live here and work for an employer outside of Switzerland? If you have been paying into the system, RAV and IV should help you get back on your feet & help you find a job you can manage locally.

Sorry for your troubles, best wishes.
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Yes, I go to the doctor.
Last year the doctor said everything is good but starting pre-diabetes. Did sport, lost 30kg.
Then gave me to psychiatrist. ADHD, Aspergers, Burnout.
Now I think, more doctors find more problems. Better not ask them.
They want that I go to therapy 3x every week. Which employer will hire someone who is doing that?
Blood pressure 160/110 without drugs.
Can not sleep without ventilator.
Can not hear birds without hearing aids.
Not in wheelchair yet but everyone thinks I am drunk when I walk in the streets.
Sorry to hear swisspea. Hope you can sleep more soon. When children grow up, it will be easier maybe.
SusieQ I paid. Many years. But now for more than 1 years I did not pay, so they say I am not their problem now.
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Do you drink alcohol at all
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C'mon it's only Monday, too early for another troll thread already.
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Old 21.06.2021, 15:21
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They want that I go to therapy 3x every week. Which employer will hire someone who is doing that?

You don't have to tell them. It's none of their business - you go to appointments in your own time.



The diagnosis does not change who you are. It is just a way of explaining the symptoms and challenges you may be having. You can choose to ignore it if you want but clearly you are posting here because you want someone to talk to or advice of some sort.



Generally the definition of mental 'illness' is when your condition stops you from doing the things you would normally do or want to do... that's when you should be reaching out for therapy and support. Of course, if life is normal and happy and you are accepting of what you are doing and the way you are living, then no need for therapy....



You can also choose alternatives like drugs and alcohol, antisocial behaviour, risk-taking, domestic violence.....instead of therapy...


Or you could get on with life and find that things get better or worse... who knows


Burnout is not a 'real diagnosis' although it's an easy explanation -
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Old 21.06.2021, 15:46
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You don't have to tell them. It's none of their business - you go to appointments in your own time.
Have you ever tried to get a therapist appointment outside of normal office hours? Especially 3 x a week No way you could do it without missing work, unless you did shift work perhaps.
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SusieQ I paid. Many years. But now for more than 1 years I did not pay, so they say I am not their problem now.
So, in which country do you have access to help?

I've seen this lots of times. Ex-colleagues fight for contractor or cross-border worker status as if they were going buy a Ferrari collection with the tax and social deductions savings. Well, it does not happen. Somehow the dream is alive.
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So, in which country do you have access to help?

I've seen this lots of times. Ex-colleagues fight for contractor or cross-border worker status as if they were going buy a Ferrari collection with the tax and social deductions savings. Well, it does not happen. Somehow the dream is alive.
Sounds to me like they are working for a company in another country - remotely from Switzerland & they have not being paying deductions/contributions into the Swiss system.
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To be honest, the story is a bit suss - OP, have you thought about in-patient therapy? As 3x per week is pretty much already that. You can get the help you need and come out ready to join the world again...
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Re: Work and health

1x psychotherapy
2x physiotherapy

I do not want to go to a clinic. I do not want to go to IV.
I want to work and be worth the salary.
But I see no way forward.
Had hope that someone here knows the Swiss system better, can provide ideas.
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Old 21.06.2021, 18:37
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1x psychotherapy
2x physiotherapy

I do not want to go to a clinic. I do not want to go to IV.
I want to work and be worth the salary.
But I see no way forward.
Had hope that someone here knows the Swiss system better, can provide ideas.

Where do you have your health insurance, Switzerland? Are you a Grenzgänger?
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I live in switzerland and pay for swiss health insurance.
My employer also takes money for health insurance, but says nobody should use it because private and funded by company.
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I live in switzerland and pay for swiss health insurance.
My employer also takes money for health insurance, but says nobody should use it because private and funded by company.
That is bs. Maybe a bit more information on where that company is and people can help.

Are you a Grenzgänger, ANOBAG or how is your contract structured?
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I have good health insurance in switzerland. If I move, it will disappear. Forever. I want to keep it.
Physiotherapy is, typically, less of an emotional challenge than psychotherapy. So, while psychotherapy can often help, if you feel it's too much to cope with, then maybe just start with the physiotherapy. That might relieve some pain or some tension, and you may learn exercised there that you could later do by yourself.

In Switzerland, a course of physiotherapy is 9 sessions of 30 minutes each. A doctor prescribes it, and the physiotherapist sends that prescription to the medical insurance (Krankenkasse, caisse maladie), which covers the costs. doctor may write another such prescription, to extend the treatment. Grab the opportunity while you have Swiss medical cover.

I'd say that, given that you have some physical ailments, going to physiotherapy might be one step to take that could show a definite improvement. Then, you might be in a better state to decide about next steps.
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At home because covid. Then started new job. Remote work. Low salary but low pressure.
Now after corona they say, everybody in the office. But they are not in Switzerland. With a low salary I can not commute. I can not pay for traveling costs and hotel every week.
Does your employer, in another country, know that you live in Switzerland?

What kind of Swiss permit do you have, and until when is it valid?
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