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Re: Should I take new role or sit on the rav

For one year contract I wouldn't switch country.

Especially considering that every move IS stressful (it just depends how hard it will hit you and in which areas of your life/health), and you said you won't work for long anyway, I wouldn't put such stress on myself. Even if you know everyone 'there', there's bunch of work that has to be done 'here', for any 'there' and 'here'.

Another thing, even if you go to UK, and work a year, are you sure you'd be eligible for unemployment benefits there just after one year?

But I guess most important thing is - where is your home? That cozy place where you can relax, chill, recuper?

If it's here in CH, then I'd say - don't make your life harder without real neccessity, and there isn't any.
If it's in UK - move asap, because 'feeling at home' somwhere is IMO most important thing for a human being.
If it's nowhere/anywhere, and you have zero emotions about all of it, I'd go from financial perspective, from 'how much move out will cost', 'how much move in will cost' (that includes all agencies/services you need to book), but also 'how long will it take'. Don't underestimate the power of waiting for things to happen and toll it can take on mental health.

So, my home is where I am, my cats and SO and internet are (in no specific order). It's not dependent on country or other people. So since my home moves with me wherever I go, then my decisions are based from mostly financial perspective and tables.

So from such perspective judging your case, I'd say too much energy for zero gain, only loss - when I take time + costs to make such move, and you said you'd basically be on same income, so all intermediary costs are born by you and you alone it seems.

In short - I/we move countries for 'offers you cannot reject', not for 'same thing'. Because it never is really the same, and if it looks the same, risk is that it's actually a bit worse (otherwise you'd already know why you want it because it has some bigger value for you already).

In short take 2 - if you're not 100% for the move, keep status quo, since your gut is telling you that's the better option for you for now. If you knew you want to move, you wouldn't write here.
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.... or find something meaningful to do in your 8-5 working hours , like enjoying the outdoors or solving poverty in Switzerland.
Now that latter would be worthy cause, indeed!
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Switzerland is country of rules, not morals, so don't ever think about "morals" when making decisions here or anticipating how others will make decisions that may impact you. This is, after all, a country whos private banks spent decades helping off-shore people avoid paying taxes that deprived other countries of much needed tax revenue to fund public services (how moral!)
Old school, morals, sanctimonious, much? Please let us know that you’re not British and if you are, have no knowledge whatsoever of slightly opaque machinations on various islands – not necessarily very far off the mainland. And let’s forget about those under a tropical climate…

Talk about goats taking the biscuit!
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Re: Should I take new role or sit on the rav

Its a really tricky one for me - Part of me says take the role and do not be a shoulder on the swiss RAV

Another part of me says to claim what is entitled to me and search for a role here - Only if I cannot find a role and the RAV money has run out then I need to really accept anything and anywhere
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Its a really tricky one for me - Part of me says take the role and do not be a shoulder on the swiss RAV

Another part of me says to claim what is entitled to me and search for a role here - Only if I cannot find a role and the RAV money has run out then I need to really accept anything and anywhere
You don't say how old you are but if you are close to retirement, my opinion is that you should stay here, sign on the RAV, and do as the RAV tells you i.e. try to get work as required. But expect not to have too many interviews.
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Its a really tricky one for me - Part of me says take the role and do not be a shoulder on the swiss RAV

Another part of me says to claim what is entitled to me and search for a role here - Only if I cannot find a role and the RAV money has run out then I need to really accept anything and anywhere
I can’t believe you’re still thinking about this. Please read your original post and all of the replies that follow. It truly is a no brainer!
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Its a really tricky one for me - Part of me says take the role and do not be a shoulder on the swiss RAV

Another part of me says to claim what is entitled to me and search for a role here - Only if I cannot find a role and the RAV money has run out then I need to really accept anything and anywhere
You said you didn’t need the money.
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You said you didn’t need the money.
Yup...

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Finally because of my age and health I won’t be working after this job so I don’t actually need the money. I sold my Uk house a year and had inheritance which will last me a life time and I don’t have any kids
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You said you didn’t need the money.
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I have been terminated from my Swiss job in Zurich and my last payment date is in September

I am on a permit b and have been here for four years and half

I had planned to sign the rav and take my time to find a new job in Switzerland but a job has suddenly been offered in the Uk through a friend and the salary after tax is 5kgbp which is 6k chf

I’m in two minds whether to prefer the job in the Uk or take the rav. I feel like the Uk job will give up my right to permit c and have my dreams of living in Switzerland in the future dashed. I won’t be able to get another b permit if I leave now we have brexit

And the rav salary after tax is equal to the Uk salary after tax from working.

Finally because of my age and health I won’t be working after this job so I don’t actually need the money. I sold my Uk house a year and had inheritance which will last me a life time and I don’t have any kids

What would you do?

1) Take the Uk Jon and give up your permit and take home the same as the rav would pay
2£ be unemployed with the rav and try and find a job in Switzerland on your terms whilst enjoying the time off
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Yup...



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The OP dreams of living in Switzerland and is on a B permit for 4 and half years. Therefore, they should soon be eligible to apply for a C permit but one requirement is employment (although I’m no expert on permits). This is the only reason I could see for having to take a less desirable position. It does sound a bit odd though. Maybe the inheritance that will last a lifetime is only enough for a lifetime spent outside of Switzerland.
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Re: Should I take new role or sit on the rav

When I say I can live on inheritance I mean I can live a simple life here without anything too extravagant. I have not signed upto the new role yet but I am being asked to and I still am in two minds

1) The role will be tough and in a new country UK but at least I would feel like I am in control of my destiny

2) The rav is certainly easier but it depends on following rules and I still remain dubious that they would pay me a full two years whilst not forcing me into any job.
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When I say I can live on inheritance I mean I can live a simple life here without anything too extravagant. I have not signed upto the new role yet but I am being asked to and I still am in two minds

1) The role will be tough and in a new country UK but at least I would feel like I am in control of my destiny

2) The rav is certainly easier but it depends on following rules and I still remain dubious that they would pay me a full two years whilst not forcing me into any job.
Nothing wrong with a simple life. For the difference in air and water quality alone it’s worth staying in Switzerland. I think you’d be absolutely crazy to move to the UK.
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When I say I can live on inheritance I mean I can live a simple life here without anything too extravagant. I have not signed upto the new role yet but I am being asked to and I still am in two minds

1) The role will be tough and in a new country UK but at least I would feel like I am in control of my destiny

2) The rav is certainly easier but it depends on following rules and I still remain dubious that they would pay me a full two years whilst not forcing me into any job.
They cannot force you into any job.
You do have to be reasonable, but they don’t expect, for example, a HR manager to take a job in a pub or do manual work.
The chances of you even landing an interview, let alone a job, will be remote, so don’t worry about it.
Also the UK thing is a contract, and I can tell you £5k a month in London is not very highly paid at all.
Why would you even consider it when you can get the same here sitting on your toosh?
Also, on the RAV you can still get your C permit.
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Re: Should I take new role or sit on the rav

To give you some figures

In Switzerland salary was 150K CHF so I would qualify for 70% of that which I work out at 6K CHF a month after tax

In London the salary is a little over 100K GBP which works out at 5K GBP after tax a month which is equal to 6K CHF

On 5K after tax london is definitely liveable and on 6K CHF Switzerland is also liveable
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Also, on the RAV you can still get your C permit.
I may be wrong, but I think that is unlikely as employment is a requirement.

They are more likely to provide a short extension to the B permit.
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To give you some figures

In Switzerland salary was 150K CHF so I would qualify for 70% of that which I work out at 6K CHF a month after tax

In London the salary is a little over 100K GBP which works out at 5K GBP after tax a month which is equal to 6K CHF

On 5K after tax london is definitely liveable and on 6K CHF Switzerland is also liveable
Except you've expended @60 plus hours of your life a week in UK (leave for work at 7:30, get home at 18:30) and ended up no better off either financially nor quality of life, in fact it will have dropped due to the stress.

Good luck with it all.
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Except you've expended @60 plus hours of your life a week in UK (leave for work at 7:30, get home at 18:30) and ended up no better off either financially nor quality of life, in fact it will have dropped due to the stress.

Good luck with it all.
Exactly. Also, this is only considering the short term. The role in London is a 12-month contract. Who knows what happens then. RAV is 2 years!

You can lead a horse to water...
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I may be wrong, but I think that is unlikely as employment is a requirement.

They are more likely to provide a short extension to the B permit.
I was under the impression that RAV are your employer, but maybe you're right they'll just extend the B permit.
In any case, the OP is in a better position staying here, where he could get another contract/job and get the golden pass.
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Old school, morals, sanctimonious, much? Please let us know that you’re not British and if you are, have no knowledge whatsoever of slightly opaque machinations on various islands – not necessarily very far off the mainland. And let’s forget about those under a tropical climate… Talk about goats taking the biscuit!
I've read that twice but I still have no idea what it means. My suspicion is that you're confusing individual British citizens with British governments but I can't be certain.

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The OP dreams of living in Switzerland and is on a B permit for 4 and half years. Therefore, they should soon be eligible to apply for a C permit but one requirement is employment (although I’m no expert on permits)....
You can get a C Permit while on the RAV as the RAV is technically regarded as an employer in this situation. If you finish with the RAV and are on welfare, I believe it's different.
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Switzerland is country of rules, not morals, so don't ever think about "morals" when making decisions here or anticipating how others will make decisions that may impact you. This is, after all, a country whos private banks spent decades helping off-shore people avoid paying taxes that deprived other countries of much needed tax revenue to fund public services (how moral!)
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Old school, morals, sanctimonious, much? Please let us know that you’re not British and if you are, have no knowledge whatsoever of slightly opaque machinations on various islands – not necessarily very far off the mainland. And let’s forget about those under a tropical climate…

Talk about goats taking the biscuit!
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I've read that twice but I still have no idea what it means. My suspicion is that you're confusing individual British citizens with British governments but I can't be certain.
Thanks for picking up on my poorly worded (apologies) post. Had hoped to elicit a response from Brian1985 who obviously got my goat and I think takes the biscuit.
My allusions to islands (tax havens, anybody?), near and far, was trying to be clever, I admit. Still like the tropical sun bit though. A bit tricky for me, if you’re commenting upon Switzerland’s lack of moral rectitude vis-à-vis my assumption of a British citizen being unaware of their own legislation, morals and tax havens.
Point is/was, ALV/RAV benefits have nothing to do with outdated (old school) uninformed and sanctimonious bigotry – if you’re entitled to an insurance pay out, take it.
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Re: Should I take new role or sit on the rav

Maybe I can ask one last question - Is it possible for me to take the UK job and retain my swiss address and if it does not work out come back to Switzerland and claim the RAV?

I have heard of people who ask for six months of before claiming the RAV and I think this would be the best of both worlds. I would still be fine with the permit which expires in Mar 2022 and I feel like I would have given myself a chance to try the UK
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