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RAV should I apply or rather not?

Hi everyone,

I'm Kai and new in this place but I know this forum for a while now and since I'm in need of advice I decided to register here and seek your advice.

I'm fairly new in Switzerland and currently hold a B permit, although I was born and raised here and I spend the last few years living and working in another country. Last week, I quit my job while still being in the probation period without having a new one. Just to let you know I've been employed for at least 12 months within the past two years, so basically I'd be eligible for it. I took this last job thinking it'd be better than my previous one. I know this might've been a silly move but I couldn't handle the emotional and mental abuse of the company/the manager anymore. I've been applying to jobs daily, like 15 jobs a day but so far got only rejections. I make sure to apply only to jobs to which I have a chance and fit my profile.

I'm quite apprehensive to apply for benefits and always was, even when I was in the worst situation (and I mean living on the streets) I still didn't apply for them. The reason for this was that I've known several people (in Switzerland and other EU countries) who truly needed the benefits and applied for them and got them while trying to get a new job but in the end, didn't manage to get one, and as a result of this, they were kicked out of the country and send back to their origin country. This also happened to a close friend of mine a few years ago, where her brother suffered a car accident, another car drove into him leaving him bedbound for life and for what I found it the other car driver got away without a scratch or paying anything. The parents had to give up their jobs one after the other and ended up taking care of the son full-time and received benefits. This left my friend being the only and main household earner in the family and she paid all their bills (rent, food, etc.). Less than a year later the government told them they had until the end of March 2018 to return to their origin country which was Germany or they'd be illegal in the country. I know that I might not have all the facts but I knew the family really well and they were exceptional role models, paid everything on time, never caused issues, and didn't live above their means. They also helped me when I told them I was considering returning to Switzerland, and since I've heard other similar stories I'm worried the same could happen to me.

Sorry for the long rant... Anyhow, what I wanted to say is that I could last like 2-3 months (4 if I make extreme cuts here and there) with what I've earned so far but is it worth applying to the RAV?

I'm sorry if my question might sound stupid to some but your advice would be much appreciated. Thank you for reading and take care.
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Re: RAV should I apply or rather not?

What do you do that there are 15 job vacancies every day?

You will (most likely) in any case have to wait some amount of time until 'benefits' are paid.
This is an unemployment insurance not social aid so there's no shame or affect on your residency status.
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Old 06.07.2021, 08:48
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Re: RAV should I apply or rather not?

Since you quit, expect a three month wait after you apply to receive anything.

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Re: RAV should I apply or rather not?

You can register online at the rav, have you started your applications to the 15
jobs daily yet ?

When you are registered, you need to apply to 10-15 jobs per month at least.
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Hi everyone,

I'm Kai and new in this place but I know this forum for a while now and since I'm in need of advice I decided to register here and seek your advice.

I'm fairly new in Switzerland and currently hold a B permit, although I was born and raised here and I spend the last few years living and working in another country. Last week, I quit my job while still being in the probation period without having a new one. Just to let you know I've been employed for at least 12 months within the past two years, so basically I'd be eligible for it. I took this last job thinking it'd be better than my previous one. I know this might've been a silly move but I couldn't handle the emotional and mental abuse of the company/the manager anymore. I've been applying to jobs daily, like 15 jobs a day but so far got only rejections. I make sure to apply only to jobs to which I have a chance and fit my profile.

I'm quite apprehensive to apply for benefits and always was, even when I was in the worst situation (and I mean living on the streets) I still didn't apply for them. The reason for this was that I've known several people (in Switzerland and other EU countries) who truly needed the benefits and applied for them and got them while trying to get a new job but in the end, didn't manage to get one, and as a result of this, they were kicked out of the country and send back to their origin country. This also happened to a close friend of mine a few years ago, where her brother suffered a car accident, another car drove into him leaving him bedbound for life and for what I found it the other car driver got away without a scratch or paying anything. The parents had to give up their jobs one after the other and ended up taking care of the son full-time and received benefits. This left my friend being the only and main household earner in the family and she paid all their bills (rent, food, etc.). Less than a year later the government told them they had until the end of March 2018 to return to their origin country which was Germany or they'd be illegal in the country. I know that I might not have all the facts but I knew the family really well and they were exceptional role models, paid everything on time, never caused issues, and didn't live above their means. They also helped me when I told them I was considering returning to Switzerland, and since I've heard other similar stories I'm worried the same could happen to me.

Sorry for the long rant... Anyhow, what I wanted to say is that I could last like 2-3 months (4 if I make extreme cuts here and there) with what I've earned so far but is it worth applying to the RAV?

I'm sorry if my question might sound stupid to some but your advice would be much appreciated. Thank you for reading and take care.
So lets think about this... you say you have 3-4 months of money left and are asking if it is worth applying for the unemployment insurance that you are entitled to, that would enable you to live? RAV is not classed as social benefits (ie: government handouts) and even a small amount of research and basic Googling would have told you that. https://www.ch.ch/en/registering-unemployed/ and https://www.ch.ch/en/unemployment-ri...d-obligations/

This would seem like one hell of a rhetorical and even silly question. RAV also has a 3 months penalty if you voluntarily quit your previous job, so if you do not register NOW then you are really going to be financially screwed.

Use some initiative and common sense and do what you need to do to keep living.

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I'm worried the same could happen to me.
It will not happen overnight, and I still do not understand how you can prefer the certainty of ending up in the streets in 4 months instead of MAYBE having your permit not renovated in let's say a couple of years.
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...... The reason for this was that I've known several people (in Switzerland and other EU countries) who truly needed the benefits and applied for them and got them while trying to get a new job but in the end, didn't manage to get one, and as a result of this, they were kicked out of the country and send back to their origin country. ......
This will happen anyway, if you don't find a new job and the authorities will latest find out when the permit needs renewing. (Being registered with RAV will only help at that moment).

So why not benefit from the insurance you paid into and hope you'll find a job during that time? While feeling safe and fed during your search?

You'll have a waiting period because you quit your job but you got the money for that. So it will also prolong your stay here.

You sound frantic, the side-story you presented is out of context imo. You must have thought over the quitting the job so relax now. Do the logical thing, register with RAV, present them with the job-searching results you obviously already have and keep searching.
You got loads of time before worrying about being thrown out of the country!
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