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doropfiz 22.07.2021 13:40

Swiss returning, employment still in non-EU, how to register?
 
A Swiss woman, I'll call her Sandra (because I might start other threads to help her), has been living and working in a non-EU country for several years. Now she's returning home to Switzerland, and is in the process of registering everywhere.

Sandra's employer in the non-EU country would like to keep her on, and she works fully from home anyway, so it doesn't matter whether she is there or here. Naturally, her costs in Switzerland are higher than there, so they're negotiating about a salary.

Assuming they reach an agreement on remuneration: what would Sandra, as a returning Swiss person, and what would her employer in the non-EU country, need to do to make this arrangement work well? Both she and the employer want everything above board, and for her to be properly insured, at the minimum AHV and accident insurance.

The employer's resources are not unlimited, and they definitely don't know anything about Swissness, so everything will need to be done by Sandra herself. This thread is a first step to help her get things going in the right direction.

I'd be grateful for any advice or information. Thank you.

LtSoftDrink 22.07.2021 14:01

Re: Swiss returning, employment still in non-EU, how to register?
 
Looks like the employer doesn’t exist as a Swiss entity. Sandra could contact the relevant cantonal AHV Zweigstelle to start thrashing out details whether she can register as perhaps Selbständigerwerbend. The idea being that her employer adds their share of the necessary contributions to her payslip and she fully pays the agreed amount directly. Perhaps too simple but from your description an agency/umbrella arrangement isn’t viable either…

doropfiz 02.08.2021 09:59

Re: Swiss returning, employment still in non-EU, how to register?
 
Thank you, LtSoftDrink, that response was very helpful, becuase it told me where to start.

The AHV-Zweigstelle in the area in which Sandra will be living has confirmed that this will work. First, she returns to Switzerland and registers as living here. Next, she registers with the AHV-Zweigstelle as living in Switzerland but having a foreign employer.

There are then two alternative routes:
  1. The foreign employer registers with the Swiss AHV and pays in the contributions (an unlikely scenario other than, perhaps, for large employers with many employees in that situation),
    or
  2. Sandra herself registers with the Zweigstelle and pays in both the employer's and the employee's AHV contributions. She does this either out of her own pocket or else negotiates with her foreign employer for those contributions to be part of her remuneration package.

LtSoftDrink 02.08.2021 15:09

Re: Swiss returning, employment still in non-EU, how to register?
 
Thanks for your update. Might be useful for others and astonishingly shows that even the AHV sometimes adopts simple solutions :D

Urs Max 02.08.2021 17:26

Re: Swiss returning, employment still in non-EU, how to register?
 
What about pillar 2, does she count as self-employed?
What about accident insurance, and whatnot? The health insurance add-on is far inferior to SUVA.

LtSoftDrink 02.08.2021 17:29

Re: Swiss returning, employment still in non-EU, how to register?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Urs Max (Post 3333750)
What about pillar 2, does she count as self-employed?
What about accident insurance, and whatnot? The health insurance add-on is far inferior to SUVA.

Trust you to spoil the party - with worthwhile input :D

NotAllThere 02.08.2021 19:50

Re: Swiss returning, employment still in non-EU, how to register?
 
Anobag?

Urs Max 02.08.2021 22:57

Re: Swiss returning, employment still in non-EU, how to register?
 
And what about maternity leave?

Sandra will give birth in a few months. Does she plan to keep working without interruption?

anmolturgi 03.08.2021 06:30

Re: Swiss returning, employment still in non-EU, how to register?
 
It would also be possible to route the Salary from a NON EU Employer to Sandra via a Payroll Company and this will ensure that Sandra gets all the benefits including Un-Employment benefits

doropfiz 09.08.2021 05:32

Re: Swiss returning, employment still in non-EU, how to register?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Urs Max (Post 3333750)
What about pillar 2, does she count as self-employed?

No, according to the staff at the AHV-Zweigstelle, she does not count as self-employed. She is a salaried employee.

Thank you, I'll put "2nd pillar /BVG /pension plan" on the list of questions (= items to read up and enquire about).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urs Max (Post 3333750)
What about accident insurance, and whatnot? The health insurance add-on is far inferior to SUVA.

This will almost certainly be an add-on to her medical insurance. I did not know that it was far inferior to SUVA. In what ways, please?

doropfiz 09.08.2021 05:34

Re: Swiss returning, employment still in non-EU, how to register?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NotAllThere (Post 3333808)
Anobag?

Thank you, I'll put that on the list of questions, too.

doropfiz 09.08.2021 05:42

Re: Swiss returning, employment still in non-EU, how to register?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Urs Max (Post 3333870)
And what about maternity leave?

Sandra will give birth in a few months. Does she plan to keep working without interruption?

Thes are good questions, too. No, she will not keep working all through.

Maternity leave:
She will have leave because, in both Switzerland, where she will be at the time, and in the non-EU country of her employer, it is law that the mother cannot work during the prescribed number of weeks.

Maternity pay:
She is not entitled to maternity pay in either country. The non-EU country's maternity pay is only for mothers who are in that country at the time, which she will no longer be. And she will not have contributed to the Swiss Social Security for long enough to be eligible for Swiss maternity pay (contributions must, essentially, have commenced before pregnancy). During those months the young family will live off their savings and - as soon as his papers are sorted to be legally allowed to work in Switzerland - the baby's father will be earning, too.


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