Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Employment  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #101  
Old 12.09.2021, 14:13
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Baselland
Posts: 592
Groaned at 28 Times in 22 Posts
Thanked 730 Times in 366 Posts
LtSoftDrink has a reputation beyond reputeLtSoftDrink has a reputation beyond reputeLtSoftDrink has a reputation beyond reputeLtSoftDrink has a reputation beyond reputeLtSoftDrink has a reputation beyond repute
Re: British people are leaving Switzerland due to EU citizens taking priority

Quote:
View Post
If we Are feeling generous we could extend it to the rest of the anglosphere!
Britain was often quite generous when trying to involve the “colonials” in their issues
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank LtSoftDrink for this useful post:
  #102  
Old 12.09.2021, 14:17
amogles's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 12,361
Groaned at 338 Times in 274 Posts
Thanked 26,263 Times in 11,000 Posts
amogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond repute
Re: British people are leaving Switzerland due to EU citizens taking priority

Quote:
View Post
Completely agree with you (wow). The term ex-pat reminds me of the time that my parents used to say “we’re going for a vacation on the Continent” in the 1970 / 1980’s. Europeans really find this laughable.

i have friends in the Orkneys who when catching the Pentland ferry say ¨we're going to Scotland"
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank amogles for this useful post:
  #103  
Old 12.09.2021, 14:48
Pachyderm's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,549
Groaned at 76 Times in 55 Posts
Thanked 3,384 Times in 1,156 Posts
Pachyderm has a reputation beyond reputePachyderm has a reputation beyond reputePachyderm has a reputation beyond reputePachyderm has a reputation beyond reputePachyderm has a reputation beyond reputePachyderm has a reputation beyond repute
Re: British people are leaving Switzerland due to EU citizens taking priority

Quote:
View Post

And I think nobody uses expat except the Brits. The ones looking over from their island that is, which explaines the "ex". After all, I've not seen the word "inpats" on EF. Yet.
I was on a training course just before lockdown with an Indian woman who referred to her family as expats.

Quote:
View Post
If you're British, you're an expat. If you're not British, you're an immigrant
That’s nonsense, though I’ve read it many times in Guardian reader comments. It sounds clever and is another manifestation of British self-loathing you now hear constantly from the left. But it’s not true. I’m absolutely an immigrant. My father was an Irish immigrant. We immigrated. It’s not a shameful word. As for expat, you hear Americans and Aussies sometimes use it so perhaps it is Anglospheric. Nothing wrong with the word except it’s a bit old-fashioned perhaps. I very rarely use any of these words as I don’t think of myself as part of a class that needs a label. I’m a British bloke who's moved Switzerland to work, and will one day move back to the UK. Not sure why I need to think of myself as part of a category.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Pachyderm for this useful post:
  #104  
Old 12.09.2021, 14:53
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Basel-Stadt
Posts: 336
Groaned at 146 Times in 73 Posts
Thanked 319 Times in 164 Posts
CliiniMuus is considered knowledgeableCliiniMuus is considered knowledgeableCliiniMuus is considered knowledgeable
Re: British people are leaving Switzerland due to EU citizens taking priority

"Expat" is simply used as a way to create a division between "the immigrants we want to shame and don't care about because noone listens to them" and "the immigrants we need to make feel special, as they have a level of wealth that gives them an influencial voice".
Reply With Quote
This user groans at CliiniMuus for this post:
  #105  
Old 12.09.2021, 14:54
bossybaby's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2021
Location: Western Austria
Posts: 818
Groaned at 8 Times in 7 Posts
Thanked 1,444 Times in 622 Posts
bossybaby has a reputation beyond reputebossybaby has a reputation beyond reputebossybaby has a reputation beyond reputebossybaby has a reputation beyond reputebossybaby has a reputation beyond repute
Re: British people are leaving Switzerland due to EU citizens taking priority

Quote:
View Post
Again, Amazon.de. Just type in HP sauce, got loads of options!

In Switzerland I've occasionally seen it in the Coop.
Come across the border; lots of HP at SPAR.
Reply With Quote
  #106  
Old 12.09.2021, 14:59
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Zurich
Posts: 5,738
Groaned at 425 Times in 235 Posts
Thanked 6,601 Times in 3,031 Posts
ZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond repute
Re: British people are leaving Switzerland due to EU citizens taking priority

Quote:
View Post
I was on a training course just before lockdown with an Indian woman who referred to her family as expats.


That’s nonsense, though I’ve read it many times in Guardian reader comments. It sounds clever and is another manifestation of British self-loathing you now hear constantly from the left. But it’s not true. I’m absolutely an immigrant. My father was an Irish immigrant. We immigrated. It’s not a shameful word. As for expat, you hear Americans and Aussies sometimes use it so perhaps it is Anglospheric. Nothing wrong with the word except it’s a bit old-fashioned perhaps. I very rarely use any of these words as I don’t think of myself as part of a class that needs a label. I’m a British bloke who's moved Switzerland to work, and will one day move back to the UK. Not sure why I need to think of myself as part of a category.
This appears to be a term that is used to eliminate ourselves from the very many immigrants that arrive from other countries, in the hope to make a life here
Reply With Quote
  #107  
Old 12.09.2021, 15:02
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Swiss Confederation
Posts: 11,501
Groaned at 409 Times in 335 Posts
Thanked 17,648 Times in 8,925 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: British people are leaving Switzerland due to EU citizens taking priority

Quote:
View Post
"Expat" is simply used as a way to create a division between "the immigrants we want to shame and don't care about because noone listens to them" and "the immigrants we need to make feel special, as they have a level of wealth that gives them an influencial voice".
I always thought expat is used for those who do want to go back to their home country after a while. Maybe even after a long while...

What others think is not my business, I don't know why I have to place myself in any category. For statistical purposes, I think the Swiss authorities call us all migrants or immigrants. In real life conversations, we are called, not always unfondly - foreigners.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank greenmount for this useful post:
  #108  
Old 12.09.2021, 15:02
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Near Geneva
Posts: 3,225
Groaned at 35 Times in 29 Posts
Thanked 4,175 Times in 1,855 Posts
Anjela has a reputation beyond reputeAnjela has a reputation beyond reputeAnjela has a reputation beyond reputeAnjela has a reputation beyond reputeAnjela has a reputation beyond reputeAnjela has a reputation beyond repute
Re: British people are leaving Switzerland due to EU citizens taking priority

Quote:
View Post
Come across the border; lots of HP at SPAR.
Why? I don't need to cross any 'border' as my local french supermarkets also sell HP! And (for the moment) PG tips, and marmite, etc.

It's Slammer that's bewailing the lack of HP and as he's in Germany amazon.de seems a sensible option for him.
Reply With Quote
  #109  
Old 12.09.2021, 15:13
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Frick, Aargau
Posts: 2,876
Groaned at 62 Times in 50 Posts
Thanked 4,070 Times in 1,901 Posts
HickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: British people are leaving Switzerland due to EU citizens taking priority

Quote:
View Post
"Expat" is simply used as a way to create a division between "the immigrants we want to shame and don't care about because noone listens to them" and "the immigrants we need to make feel special, as they have a level of wealth that gives them an influencial voice".
Well not really as it's a term devised by English speakers not the Swiss. We are all migrants to them.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank HickvonFrick for this useful post:
  #110  
Old 12.09.2021, 15:13
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Zurich
Posts: 5,738
Groaned at 425 Times in 235 Posts
Thanked 6,601 Times in 3,031 Posts
ZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond repute
Re: British people are leaving Switzerland due to EU citizens taking priority

When I arrived here in 1986 (Swiss and UK passport), I had some questions concerning my tax invoice. On asking whether “they speak English”, I was told that “if I don’t speak Schweizer deutsch, then I shouldn’t be here”.

Luckily times have moved on a little bit. Enjoy.
Reply With Quote
  #111  
Old 12.09.2021, 15:21
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Baselland
Posts: 592
Groaned at 28 Times in 22 Posts
Thanked 730 Times in 366 Posts
LtSoftDrink has a reputation beyond reputeLtSoftDrink has a reputation beyond reputeLtSoftDrink has a reputation beyond reputeLtSoftDrink has a reputation beyond reputeLtSoftDrink has a reputation beyond repute
Re: British people are leaving Switzerland due to EU citizens taking priority

Quote:
View Post
I was on a training course just before lockdown with an Indian woman who referred to her family as expats.
Terribly surprizing – an Indian woman emulating former colonial overlords

Quote:
View Post
That’s nonsense, though I’ve read it many times in Guardian reader comments. It sounds clever and is another manifestation of British self-loathing you now hear constantly from the left. But it’s not true. I’m absolutely an immigrant. My father was an Irish immigrant. We immigrated. It’s not a shameful word. As for expat, you hear Americans and Aussies sometimes use it so perhaps it is Anglospheric. Nothing wrong with the word except it’s a bit old-fashioned perhaps. I very rarely use any of these words as I don’t think of myself as part of a class that needs a label. I’m a British bloke who's moved Switzerland to work, and will one day move back to the UK. Not sure why I need to think of myself as part of a category.
It’s not nonsense. Just watch a TV show covering Brits buying a holiday/retirement home anywhere with a bit sunnier weather: the location is often described in percentages of expat population vs. local. In notable cases of infestation, German and/or French presence is specifically mentioned as well.
I agree, nothing shameful in being an immigrant. But the term "expat" is not old-fashioned. It's a sham.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank LtSoftDrink for this useful post:
  #112  
Old 12.09.2021, 15:22
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Basel-Stadt
Posts: 336
Groaned at 146 Times in 73 Posts
Thanked 319 Times in 164 Posts
CliiniMuus is considered knowledgeableCliiniMuus is considered knowledgeableCliiniMuus is considered knowledgeable
Re: British people are leaving Switzerland due to EU citizens taking priority

Quote:
View Post
Well not really as it's a term devised by English speakers not the Swiss. We are all migrants to them.

It's nothing to do with the Swiss alone. It's a term used all over the world for this purpose, hence me not referencing Switzerland, nor the Swiss (nor the English).
Reply With Quote
  #113  
Old 12.09.2021, 15:23
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 21,376
Groaned at 461 Times in 352 Posts
Thanked 23,091 Times in 11,824 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: British people are leaving Switzerland due to EU citizens taking priority

Quote:
View Post
When I arrived here in 1986 (Swiss and UK passport), I had some questions concerning my tax invoice. On asking whether “they speak English”, I was told that “if I don’t speak Schweizer deutsch, then I shouldn’t be here”.

Luckily times have moved on a little bit. Enjoy.
Strangely people always manage to understand English where money is involved !
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank fatmanfilms for this useful post:
  #114  
Old 12.09.2021, 15:46
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Baselland
Posts: 592
Groaned at 28 Times in 22 Posts
Thanked 730 Times in 366 Posts
LtSoftDrink has a reputation beyond reputeLtSoftDrink has a reputation beyond reputeLtSoftDrink has a reputation beyond reputeLtSoftDrink has a reputation beyond reputeLtSoftDrink has a reputation beyond repute
Re: British people are leaving Switzerland due to EU citizens taking priority

Quote:
View Post
When I arrived here in 1986 (Swiss and UK passport), I had some questions concerning my tax invoice. On asking whether “they speak English”, I was told that “if I don’t speak Schweizer deutsch, then I shouldn’t be here”.
Not terribly polite, I agree.

Quote:
View Post
Luckily times have moved on a little bit. Enjoy.
You mean you've managed to master Mundart or an official Swiss language after nearly 40 years?

Quote:
View Post
Strangely people always manage to understand English where money is involved !
Unless the currency in question is very weak, most people disregard language questions when you wave banknotes in their faces
Reply With Quote
  #115  
Old 12.09.2021, 15:55
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 32,723
Groaned at 2,628 Times in 1,870 Posts
Thanked 39,831 Times in 18,788 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: British people are leaving Switzerland due to EU citizens taking priority

A true expat is someone who has expatriated, i.e. renounced their original citizenship.

Tom
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank st2lemans for this useful post:
  #116  
Old 12.09.2021, 17:26
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2021
Location: Zug
Posts: 39
Groaned at 12 Times in 7 Posts
Thanked 150 Times in 54 Posts
Necromancer has earned the respect of manyNecromancer has earned the respect of manyNecromancer has earned the respect of many
Re: British people are leaving Switzerland due to EU citizens taking priority

Quote:
View Post
Milk in tea = disgusting!

Tom
You aving a larf mate or ar yu just fackin clooless?

Some years ago I worked as senior manager for Betty’s and Taylor’s ( really great company) ...not in the tea department, though that was part of my induction.
I can never forget the horror on the head tea tasters face when I told him about Swiss tea habits ( adding warm milk ...serving in a glass..giving a little jug of cream with it and other assorted crimes )

Coming from a poor working class background my self I was extremely gratified to hear his explanation ..can still see his red face and bulging eyes even now 15 years later..

( from my notes )
Adding hot tea to cold milk elegantly solves the problem with the high tannin in tea very elegantly.
The long multiple folded proteins of the milk are wrapped around the tannin molecules and avoid the bitterness. It is important that the temperature is not too high when mixing the two liquids, this is the case when the milk is put into the cup first.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank Necromancer for this useful post:
This user groans at Necromancer for this post:
  #117  
Old 12.09.2021, 17:34
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 11,945
Groaned at 619 Times in 524 Posts
Thanked 22,171 Times in 11,634 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: British people are leaving Switzerland due to EU citizens taking priority

Quote:
View Post
You aving a larf mate or ar yu just fackin clooless?

Some years ago I worked as senior manager for Betty’s and Taylor’s ( really great company) ...not in the tea department, though that was part of my induction.
I can never forget the horror on the head tea tasters face when I told him about Swiss tea habits ( adding warm milk ...serving in a glass..giving a little jug of cream with it and other assorted crimes )

Coming from a poor working class background my self I was extremely gratified to hear his explanation ..can still see his red face and bulging eyes even now 15 years later..

( from my notes )
Adding hot tea to cold milk elegantly solves the problem with the high tannin in tea very elegantly.
The long multiple folded proteins of the milk are wrapped around the tannin molecules and avoid the bitterness. It is important that the temperature is not too high when mixing the two liquids, this is the case when the milk is put into the cup first.
I assume this method applies when the tea is made in a teapot and when brewed added to cold milk in the cup?

If like me you make the tea in a cup with a teabag and hot water I fear adding milk first would inhibit the tea brewing successfully, nevertheless always willing to learn.
Reply With Quote
  #118  
Old 12.09.2021, 17:37
otec's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Lugano
Posts: 644
Groaned at 249 Times in 110 Posts
Thanked 491 Times in 244 Posts
otec is considered unworthyotec is considered unworthyotec is considered unworthyotec is considered unworthy
Re: British people are leaving Switzerland due to EU citizens taking priority

Quote:
View Post
A true expat is someone who has expatriated, i.e. renounced their original citizenship.

Tom
True but that's binary way of thinking. You never invest all $$$ into a single position. You keep what you need to keep and cut the losers.
Reply With Quote
  #119  
Old 12.09.2021, 17:42
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Baselland
Posts: 592
Groaned at 28 Times in 22 Posts
Thanked 730 Times in 366 Posts
LtSoftDrink has a reputation beyond reputeLtSoftDrink has a reputation beyond reputeLtSoftDrink has a reputation beyond reputeLtSoftDrink has a reputation beyond reputeLtSoftDrink has a reputation beyond repute
Re: British people are leaving Switzerland due to EU citizens taking priority

Quote:
View Post
True but that's binary way of thinking. You never invest all $$$ into a single position. You keep what you need to keep and cut the losers.
does it really work for you?
Reply With Quote
  #120  
Old 12.09.2021, 22:01
nickatbasel's Avatar
Mod, Chips and Mushy Peas
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Albisrieden
Posts: 5,420
Groaned at 167 Times in 104 Posts
Thanked 8,661 Times in 3,210 Posts
nickatbasel has a reputation beyond reputenickatbasel has a reputation beyond reputenickatbasel has a reputation beyond reputenickatbasel has a reputation beyond reputenickatbasel has a reputation beyond reputenickatbasel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: British people are leaving Switzerland due to EU citizens taking priority

Quote:
View Post
A true expat is someone who has expatriated, i.e. renounced their original citizenship.

Tom
Or a dead bloke who was called Patrick.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank nickatbasel for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
British citizens - planned move to Switzerland ManVanStaal Permits/visas/government 6 20.11.2018 11:19
Leaving Switzerland and Taking my car with me screamer Transportation/driving 21 24.03.2018 18:16
People in Switzerland give priority to the Bilaterals Wollishofener Swiss politics/news 10 27.12.2014 11:02
Getting Married In Switzerland - As British Citizens bobbydavs Family matters/health 10 12.09.2013 11:28
Do British citizens need to acquire work permits before moving to Switzerland? Lost in Geneva Permits/visas/government 13 14.08.2011 20:10


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 02:31.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0