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lacalifornia 22.10.2021 03:21

Computer Science degree with little to none work experience?
 
I am an Indian in the US with a US-based Bachelor's degree. I have 1 year of software engineering work experience, 2 years of administrative/front desk.

Is it possible to get an entry-level IT job that would provide a work permit with no prior experience? Not necessarily a software engineer role, could be even IT support or similar.

I am new to researching swiss employment and lifestyle, slightly aware that the market is more competitive than usual and that non-EU are at the bottom of preferences. A2 German and French (I know this is not great for this scenario), English native.

Appreciate any help. I have checked some job boards.

NotAllThere 22.10.2021 07:25

Re: Computer Science degree with little to none work experience?
 
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Originally Posted by lacalifornia (Post 3358169)
Is it possible to get an entry-level IT job that would provide a work permit with no prior experience?

A2 German and French

You have very little chance of getting anything in Switzerland. Essentially the answer is "no, it's not possible".

Chuff 22.10.2021 07:40

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Originally Posted by lacalifornia (Post 3358169)
I am an Indian in the US with a US-based Bachelor's degree. I have 1 year of software engineering work experience, 2 years of administrative/front desk.

Is it possible to get an entry-level IT job that would provide a work permit with no prior experience? Not necessarily a software engineer role, could be even IT support or similar.

I am new to researching swiss employment and lifestyle, slightly aware that the market is more competitive than usual and that non-EU are at the bottom of preferences. A2 German and French (I know this is not great for this scenario), English native.

Appreciate any help. I have checked some job boards.

It is not technically impossible, but your chances of getting an IT support role are extremely low, because if there is one thing Switzerland has no shortage of, it is fresh graduates that can do on-site IT support roles and speak the local languages.

While of course there is nothing to stop you applying now, I would advise spending a couple of years getting more experience and learning the major programming languages, in addition to IT and cloud security, and then applying for software engineer roles.

If you can't get directly into Switzerland, then you could also try a surrounding country like Germany or France and work your way from there. However, you would likely then need C1 language skills.

pluc 22.10.2021 08:19

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Currently there are programs running in Switzerland whereby refugees are given a leg-up to help them to integrate. My former company, a large financial services provider, has embraced the program with enthusiasm. They are getting highly skilled and very motivated IT people with good attitudes at very low cost.

You don't stand a chance.

lacalifornia 22.10.2021 08:50

Re: Computer Science degree with little to none work experience?
 
Thanks for the replies. I wanted to ask this in my initial question. What about other careers and fields? I can not change the Computer Science bachelor's degree that I have completed of course but I am considering moving out of IT regardless of working in Switzerland, after having research experience in the biomedical field whilst I was working as a software engineer.

In short, are there any careers, outside of IT/engineering that don't require 5+ years of experience before a non-EU national can be in the running for a work permit? Does my computer science degree limit me to such jobs when I am applying or even if a company is offering to hire me for a role not related to my degree?

Chuff 22.10.2021 08:52

Re: Computer Science degree with little to none work experience?
 
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Originally Posted by lacalifornia (Post 3358184)
Thanks for the replies. I wanted to ask this in my initial question. What about other careers and fields? I can not change the Computer Science bachelor's degree that I have completed of course but I am considering moving out of IT regardless of working in Switzerland, after having research experience in the biomedical field whilst I was working as a software engineer.

In short, are there any careers, outside of IT/engineering that don't require 5+ years of experience before a non-EU national can be in the running for a work permit? Does my computer science degree limit me to such jobs when I am applying or even if a company is offering to hire me for a role not related to my degree?

Ask yourself why a company would ever need to go through the logistical hassle (sorting out permits etc) of recruiting an Indian IT grad, with no relevant experience, who lives in the USA? What would you have to offer above the legions of inexperienced people with far better language skills that they could find either in Switzerland or in EU countries? If you think about that question long enough then it should start to seem very unlikely.

I get that you want to move here and are exploring your options, that is good, but you need to be able to offer something tangible to a company that would make them want to go through the additional cost and effort of hiring someone from a non-EU country and then bringing them to Switzerland.

Can you perhaps explore doing further education at a university in Switzerland, such as another Masters? If you have the funds to do that (and without a scholarship the money needed would likely be significant) then this would give you a much better avenue to explore your options from the country.

Jim2007 22.10.2021 09:16

Re: Computer Science degree with little to none work experience?
 
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Originally Posted by lacalifornia (Post 3358184)
In short, are there any careers, outside of IT/engineering that don't require 5+ years of experience before a non-EU national can be in the running for a work permit? Does my computer science degree limit me to such jobs when I am applying or even if a company is offering to hire me for a role not related to my degree?

The EU/EEA/CH have an agreement giving preference to their citizens when it comes to employment. According to something I read last week your best chance of getting a permit is if you are a skilled butcher, carpenter or a HGV driver….

As a young graduate it might be worth looking at the EU Blue Card option, it is not Switzerland, but it would get you closer to citizenship of a European country that would make moving to Switzerland later a very strong possible.

tomDE 22.10.2021 10:48

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The link you provided, to my knowledge based on discussions on other forums... the website is not legitimate. I'm sure your intention is to provide info on the EU Blue Card but that website, in my experience, is not official. The official European Union website mentions it indirectly.

kerneltrick 22.10.2021 10:57

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Why the hell would you want to move to CH from US, especially this early in career? Big downgrade in terms of pay and career prospects. The big CS money is in 'merica.

If you're being kicked out due to visa, CH is really an illogical next choice to look up to. 5 years to PR / 10-12 years to citizenship here, both not guaranteed. Go stay in Canada for 3 years, get passport, crawl back to uncle sam on TN.

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Originally Posted by lacalifornia (Post 3358169)
Is it possible to get an entry-level IT job that would provide a work permit with no prior experience? Not necessarily a software engineer role, could be even IT support or similar.

Theoretically yes, practically very unlikely unless you're top talent in which case you'd have no problems staying in the US. Forget about "IT support" or other equally un/low/skilled jobs, they definitely ain't going to get you in.

Chuff 22.10.2021 11:02

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Originally Posted by kerneltrick (Post 3358233)
Why the hell would you want to move to CH from US

Any time anyone asks a question like this you can really tell what their priorities in life are and/or how little they like or appreciate living in CH. :D

Medea Fleecestealer 22.10.2021 11:04

Re: Computer Science degree with little to none work experience?
 
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Originally Posted by lacalifornia (Post 3358184)
Thanks for the replies. I wanted to ask this in my initial question. What about other careers and fields? I can not change the Computer Science bachelor's degree that I have completed of course but I am considering moving out of IT regardless of working in Switzerland, after having research experience in the biomedical field whilst I was working as a software engineer.

In short, are there any careers, outside of IT/engineering that don't require 5+ years of experience before a non-EU national can be in the running for a work permit? Does my computer science degree limit me to such jobs when I am applying or even if a company is offering to hire me for a role not related to my degree?

Short answer - no. Not only does a Swiss employer need to prove they can't find a Swiss/EU national who could do the job, but the prospective employee must have a degree or several years work experience.

"Admissions are limited to managers, specialists and other qualified workers. ‘Qualified workers’ primarily means individuals with a degree from a university or university of applied sciences who also have several years of professional experience. Depending on the profession or the field of specialisation, individuals with special training and several years of professional experience may also be admitted"

It's all outlined here.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

kerneltrick 22.10.2021 11:13

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3358234)
Any time anyone asks a question like this you can really tell what their priorities in life are and/or how little they like or appreciate living in CH. :D

srsly? as if money/career is a bad thing to prioritize for a fresh grad? not all of us here are trust fund babies like you

Chuff 22.10.2021 11:20

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Originally Posted by kerneltrick (Post 3358242)
srsly? as if money/career is a bad thing to prioritize for a fresh grad? not all of us here are trust fund babies like you

Ys, srsly. You can of course make a respectable amount of money and a satisfying long-term career in CH, while also living in a beautiful country with a high quality of life that is located in the centre of Europe and not the other side of the world. Money is not the only factor to consider when choosing a place to live.

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Originally Posted by kerneltrick (Post 3358242)
not all of us here are trust fund babies like you

Bwahahaha... I wish! :rofl:

Spinal 22.10.2021 11:24

Re: Computer Science degree with little to none work experience?
 
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Originally Posted by pluc (Post 3358182)
Currently there are programs running in Switzerland whereby refugees are given a leg-up to help them to integrate. My former company, a large financial services provider, has embraced the program with enthusiasm. They are getting highly skilled and very motivated IT people with good attitudes at very low cost.

You don't stand a chance.

Got any details? I'm hiring, and would love to know of another source of talent :)

kerneltrick 22.10.2021 12:00

Re: Computer Science degree with little to none work experience?
 
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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3358243)
Ys, srsly. You can of course make a respectable amount of money and a satisfying long-term career in CH, while also living in a beautiful country with a high quality of life that is located in the centre of Europe and not the other side of the world.

You forgot to mention racist. California isn't exactly dating heaven for brown men (actually, any straight men in general) but i'd still take cali over zurich any time. America is way ahead of europe if you don't pass for a white. Hongcouver isn't a bad second choice for us visa refusees, 40%+ asian (not all chinese)

Chuff 22.10.2021 12:10

Re: Computer Science degree with little to none work experience?
 
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Originally Posted by kerneltrick (Post 3358257)
You forgot to mention racist. California isn't exactly dating heaven for brown men (actually, any straight men in general) but i'd still take cali over zurich any time. America is way ahead of europe if you don't pass for a white. Hongcouver isn't a bad second choice for us visa refusees, 40%+ asian (not all chinese)

I have zero doubt that as you say the USA is objectively better for dating than Switrerland if you aren't white, its a vastly bigger population with a hotpot of all cultures, so there will be a much bigger pool of all ethnicities to choose from. However, that may certainly not be a top priority to the OP.

Kittster 22.10.2021 14:57

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It's a three-year full time apprenticeship to become a painter in Switzerland. Same for retail and pretty much all the other industries that the US seems to not have the same sort of standards for. Most younger locals speak the local language plus another one or two at a reasonable to even excellent level.

Switzerland is a small pond with a lot of highly qualified young fish waiting for a chance and the money behind them to start their careers working for very little in what seems to be an almost endless series of internships. Get your experience, keep working at your language skills, develop a niche skill that is in demand here and then arrive in style dictating the terms of your relocation. With your current background, you most likely won't even get a work permit.

debriefer 23.10.2021 22:13

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Don't waste your time, you will get filtered out by HR in first round and receive either "Thank you, bot we found more suitable candidate" or total silence.

There's no shortage of local fresh grads and I can't imagine any company standing a chance in front of migrations office and trying to advocade for 3rd country IT support graduate.
It's damn annoying process and sometimes fails even for experienced hires, due to beurocracy...


I was once trying to get in Mainframe engineer (with 10y of experience) from Asia and despite not being able to fulfill position for almost a year, authorities rejected it and basically told me to try harder...



If you want to come over, did you maybe look at getting scholarships at one of the local universities?

lacalifornia 25.10.2021 00:03

Re: Computer Science degree with little to none work experience?
 
Appreciate the replies. Getting German and French skills to C2, looking into master's programs, getting more work experience, all noted. It is also clear to me now that there is no shortage of IT candidates over there. Noted.

I am trying to move out of IT (personal experience) whether or not moving to Switzerland is in the picture in the immediate future or not. I would rather start getting experience in that non-IT field while I am here inside the US for a field that is in demand in CH (compared to IT), or in other words, something that is 'in shortage' supply. Of course, acquiring German and French skills is at the top of my list and a getting a considerable amount of work experience.

I understand there is no shortcuts but for example, if I am not wrong, nursing is growing in demand in Switzerland currently. Not saying I am going to fly over there to get a degree in nursing or anything, but you get the picture. As someone who is open to trying fields other than IT that others in this situation have been in have done, I am considering choosing one based on such fields that a local could share here that can help me achieve long term goal of moving/working in Switzerland as well.

lacalifornia 25.10.2021 00:10

Re: Computer Science degree with little to none work experience?
 
But really, all the replies are appreciated. I have just completed a bachelor's degree from the US (no master's yet), and few know how much it really costs here for a non-citizen. So funds are not of the biggest concern since doing a master's is already a step I was going to take, scholarships do help regardless and I will do research into that


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