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Old 22.09.2006, 15:44
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Re: I think I am about to lose my job...

The squeaky wheel gets the grease, well done for sticking to your guns. Thanks litespeed for including and showing us that there is justice in Switzerland, It cant have been easy.
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Old 22.09.2006, 18:44
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They MIGHT sign it "p.p." (Richard enlighted me on this trick) but I think they could get in trouble for that, especially as the guy who last signed the previous contested version is still working there.
"p.p."? Enlighten us, please!
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Old 22.09.2006, 18:48
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Re: I think I am about to lose my job...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procuration

literally "per procurationem" .... on behalf of (inferring some authority)
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Old 24.09.2006, 23:48
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Re: I think I am about to lose my job...

Hey Litespeed! Congratulations! Well done..... i am so happy for you.... never doubted you deserved a better reference letter, but i know only too well how hard it must have been to get were you wanted....

About me: paradoxically, i found a new job before i managed to have the reference letter ready.... the document i have now is the "intermediate" reference, that doesn't mention when i left the company, and why. Geting the correct reference is not as critical as it was, but it still needs to be done... It is very unnerving, and it sounds very tempting to just drop it, but it is the sort of thing that will came back to haunt you if it is not done... i trust it will be only a question of a bit more patience and persistency..... Mind you, i have been dragging this whole thing since Dicember... There is no resoanable explanation for their behaviour other than pettiness and personal reasons....My former company is known for not treating too well its employes and has done in the past some things that hardly can be considered legal. It seems that i was the first one to get a lawyer and fight for my rights. Hence the special treatment....

What would have done differently.... A lot of things, probably... I would get legal aid much earlier in the process, to start with.... A lawyer might have cut a much better deal for me, and drive me through the whole process.... Learn by doing doesn't do you any favours... Then, i would have kept a better records of meetings, appraisals, e-mails.... In case something goes awry, you'll have to justify/prove everything you claim.... Above all, i should have started to look for another job much sooner to walk away to walk away gracefully while i could...
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Old 28.09.2006, 18:41
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Re: I think I am about to lose my job...

Well, it does appear my old boss is being a sore loser. So far, I have not yet received my new reference letter, and it has been a week.

If I don't receive anything by Monday I will send a "reminder". If nothing comes of that then I will seek a court request, of which non-compliance is punishable by fine.
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Old 22.10.2006, 21:57
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Re: I think I am about to lose my job...

Well last Thursday, 6 months after my last working day, I finally received my reference letter. Now I can finally move forward and make some really serious job applications.

Once again thanks to you all for your support and help.
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Old 22.10.2006, 22:31
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Re: I think I am about to lose my job...

smashing mate. I assume you've drunk a f/load of beer?
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Old 22.10.2006, 22:43
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You could say that.

Interesting footnote. The Manager above my old boss just became one of his victims as well. Just goes to show what strange politics runs around that place.
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Old 17.03.2007, 16:59
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Re: I think I am about to lose my job...

Well, the final chapter in this Saga:
  • I have found a job, starting 1. July, 2007 in Zürich. Not my dream job, but well paid. It will give me stability until I find something better. Unfortunately, that there is some bad news as well, but that will relate to another thread..more on that soon....
  • My boss, the one who gave me all the problems, is now feeling a bit of his own. He has lost responsibility for my team, after they spent a year complaining about him. He is now coming under a lot of scrutiny for his actions over the last 12 months. Unfortunately, that has all come too late for me, but I am moving forward anyway.
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Re: I think I am about to lose my job...

Litespeed, thanks to you and the other members of the forum for this really interesting thread...it has been very educational and I am relieved that everything has worked out for you. I´m not familiar with these leaving references but can you or others give some examples of what sentences are in encoded letters?
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Old 19.03.2007, 00:27
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Litespeed, thanks to you and the other members of the forum for this really interesting thread...it has been very educational and I am relieved that everything has worked out for you. I´m not familiar with these leaving references but can you or others give some examples of what sentences are in encoded letters?
Thanks eireann. Unfortunately the topic of coded references gets quite involved, and is quite language-specific. There is plenty written about it in German....just google "Zeugnis" and "Geheimcodes" and you will find a lot. One common example(translated) and its likely interpretation is this:

He completed his duties to our satisfaction - poor to average performance.

He completed his duties to our full satisfaction - average to very good performance.

He completed his duties to our complete satisfaction - good to excellent performance.

I believe richard has gone into more detail on another thread. But remember, when accepting a Zeugnis, consider the likely interpretation, and not the author's intended meaning. Some people who write references are not aware of the codes and use them unwittingly.
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Re: I think I am about to lose my job...

did you get the position we once emailed about, Mr 'Speed?
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Old 19.03.2007, 10:20
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Re: I think I am about to lose my job...

Congratulations on the job!
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Re: I think I am about to lose my job...

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Indeed I did Mr. Rockster. I am coming to the Dark Side. I have sold my soul to Mr. O
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Re: I think I am about to lose my job...

This has been an excellent forum to read. Like several prior posters I suspect I am about to lose my job and be made redundant in the next 3 to 6 months due to the pending sale of my company. As a B permit holder from the USA I was unsure about my ability to collect unemployment compensation or for even that matter stay in Switzerland....

Now my question - I thankfully have savings to keep me afloat during my job search process so is it possible to wait say two months after being let go and only then apply for benefits? Coming from an intense work situation I would like to take a bit of time before I throw myself into the search.

Any advice is GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!
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Re: I think I am about to lose my job...

I have been unemployed now since 2001 but have been employed by numerous International Trading Co. and Banks.
The scenario always the same, a lot of enthusiasm from my side, done the most difficult part of the job and when you are there ready to claim the fruits of your work there will be people who know better (although may not have a clue in fact, but put there simply because a friend of a friend, etc... , so they take over your job, inherit your results with no efforts whatsoeve and you become a right hand or left foot.)
Then you move on into Banks, obviously, knowledge of the market, no problem with the due dilligence work but need a paper work knowledge and a computer program knowledge (which you cannot acquire elsewhere but at the working place). Then you have these wonderful colleagues of your that simply do not provide you with the necessary information and make you feel as if you are worth nothing (in fact you may have much more knowledge and education). I think this is racism and mobbing in a way. Just because you are different and most probably a threat somehow to their little existance they do not help you on purpose and let you sink.
The other possibility is that with a lot of effort and self determination you somehow learned the roaps and got a Great offer (you think?!). So, again, there you go, full of energy and enthusiasm in a hurry to fulfill your part of the contract, thinking that the people have trusted you enough to hire you and give you the opportunity to prove yourself. And then... you get this wonderful BOSS that is the incarnation of MOBBING itself, that has practiced it, apparently throughout all his carrier and always got away with it. Killing you little by little everyday, consistant with his mobbing strategy, always there to bring you down, no matter how hard you try and how good you are for the business and the customers. So, you are not aware about what is happening to you and think that with time he will see that you are good and will give up... but no!!! with time (in my case only after about 2yrs) you find yourself taking heavy medicine every evening, draging your feet when going to work, completely empty, no energy left (I even got to the point where I could not get out of bed, only thinking that I had to go to the office and face / or even simply see this horrible BOSS.)
Then you get sick and the only wish you have is to never see this working place again, or even talk to your wonderful BOSS, so much you hate him for the pain he caused you. In my opiniong, there is no win win situation in this case...the only possible outcome is to leave and the sooner the better...before this person has affected your health.
I have completed a survey a while ago (from the USA) with regard to MOBBING and after I had describred what has happened to me the advise I got was to either seek a medical advice or look for another job.
I do not think that we should mix up things. We should not say that the whole Switzerland is racist. I think that the difference, i.e. the USA is that there is much more awareness about the issue, much more associations you can contact on the issue, or simply hire a lawyer and sue whoever is responsible for the unlucky outcome of your carrier. I am sure that with time, inevitabley, in Switzerland people are going to talk more and more about it (the example for this is already your association which I think is a very good thing) and the issue is going to become a well know subject so that people like my former BOSS will not be able to go away with it.
I have been personally helped on a numerous occasions on what I would call the REAL Swiss, or people from elsewhere but leaving in Switzerland. I think that it is another form of discrimination if we start separate and inquire about how Swiss is somebody who has a Swiss nationality. I believe, that as soon as you become Swiss you do represent Switzerland irrespective of your origine, mother tongue, etc...etc...Like it is in the USA, all people look very much different but they all call themselves Americans and they do represent America. A lot of them do have an accent, who does not nowadays? As soon as you speak more than one language you do have an accent unless you did learn different languages since little. It is wrong to talk about an accent per say because it is another form of discrimination, very close to the racist issue. I think that what is important is that you DO understand what the person is trying to say. What is important is the ability to communicate in such a way that there are no misunderstandings which can affect to work performance. It is another issue if the person hardly speaks a foreign language simply because did not have the opportunity to study or simply does not have the ability to do so.
People come from different cultures, different backgrounds, but, ultimately heading in the same direction.
And what I would say, after the experience I had so far it is certainly not important at all where you come from if now what you have learned and where are you going. People should learn to ask different questions, i.e. where did you study, what countries have you been to, etc...etc...rather than concentrate on the fact that you may not have been born in the area (i.e. not local).
I also think that there are more and more people in Switzerland that have opened up, been traveling a lot and have a lot of things to say and this should not be underestimated. It is wrong to try to separate people based on their accent, colour, physical ability/expression, etc..etc... On the contrary the more people exchange information that comes from different parts of the world, spoken in different languages, the more rich the country becomes.
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Old 25.07.2007, 20:47
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This has been an excellent forum to read. Like several prior posters I suspect I am about to lose my job and be made redundant in the next 3 to 6 months due to the pending sale of my company. As a B permit holder from the USA I was unsure about my ability to collect unemployment compensation or for even that matter stay in Switzerland....

Now my question - I thankfully have savings to keep me afloat during my job search process so is it possible to wait say two months after being let go and only then apply for benefits? Coming from an intense work situation I would like to take a bit of time before I throw myself into the search.

Any advice is GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!
AFAIK, as a B permit holder you can stay on until either the end of your B permit or the full term of your unemployment entitlement - whichever is longer. If necessary, you'll be issued a short term permit to allow you to stay and claim the benefits should the B expire first.

You have to apply for benefits immediately upon finishing your job. DO NOT hang around and wait. Once you know when you will be made redundant, why not go to the social security office before this date and get all the forms out of the way?

Assuming you have been laid off, and are eligible for benefits (12 months continuous employment needed I think) they' re payable starting one week after you are made unemployed.

There are a couple of in-depth threads here that covered the issue, so do a search to get a lot more info.
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Re: I think I am about to lose my job...

Hi Gav,
There is one exception to the need to apply for benefits, that is illness which you can use to delay your jobstart.
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Unfortunately the topic of coded references gets quite involved, and is quite language-specific. There is plenty written about it in German....just google "Zeugnis" and "Geheimcodes" and you will find a lot. One common example(translated) and its likely interpretation is this:

He completed his duties to our satisfaction - poor to average performance.

He completed his duties to our full satisfaction - average to very good performance.

He completed his duties to our complete satisfaction - good to excellent performance.
Many thanks. You've just made my day there.

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I believe richard has gone into more detail on another thread. But remember, when accepting a Zeugnis, consider the likely interpretation, and not the author's intended meaning. Some people who write references are not aware of the codes and use them unwittingly.
which can be found Here.
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Re: I think I am about to lose my job...

This has been a good forum with loads of useful information. I am glad that litespeed got the reference has was entitled to and it looks like those nasty individuals may get treated as how they treat other. Some there is some justice, but t is hard work and time consuming.

Hope the new job is a success.


I am also about to loose my job. I have been working as a IT contractor for nearly two years. The contract will not be renewed. I only have an L permit. Therefore is someone with only a L permit entitled to claim unemployment benefits from the RAV?
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