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Old 22.01.2023, 11:22
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Responsibilities prior to going on RAV …?

Hi all,

My contract will end in May, I don’t foresee it will be renewed since my company was recently bought and things are changing.

I’ve never been on RAV or worked on a limited term contract before … my company should give me notice by the end of February. Naturally I will start looking for jobs soon, are there a certain amount of applications I must do prior to going on RAV? I will certainly be working hard to find another role before my contract ends, but will be more selective about the jobs I apply to while I still can. Am I supposed to contact RAV as soon as I know my contract will not be renewed?

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Old 22.01.2023, 11:32
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Re: Responsibilities prior to going on RAV …?

You don't strictly have to report there before your first day of unemployment, but it is recommended to so as soon as you notice has been given. If you need money from day one of unemployment (or 5 that is), better to file early. Whenever you file, you will be expected to show efforts to find a new job from the moment that notice was given. And it goes without saying that you keep the "selective" part to yourself. There are ways to apply for jobs without "risking" an interview.
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Old 22.01.2023, 11:36
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Re: Responsibilities prior to going on RAV …?

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Old 22.01.2023, 11:39
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Re: Responsibilities prior to going on RAV …?

There is no required minimum number of applications before going in the RAV but documenting all the applications you make whilst still employed can only be to your advantage.
I think you only need to show you have been making and effort to find a new job.

Once you’re registered with them is when they become more demanding.

As said above there is no requirement to register before you become unemployed but making contact with them as soon as you have your termination letter is a good idea. There’s a lot of paperwork and hoop jumping involved.

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Old 22.01.2023, 11:44
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Re: Responsibilities prior to going on RAV …?

You need to start looking for jobs from the date of notice, NOT from the date of unemployment, otherwise you will be penalised!

BTDT.

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Old 22.01.2023, 11:51
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Re: Responsibilities prior to going on RAV …?

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You need to start looking for jobs from the date of notice, NOT from the date of unemployment, otherwise you will be penalised!

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Well yes, I’m already looking even before my notice has been given.
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Old 22.01.2023, 11:58
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Re: Responsibilities prior to going on RAV …?

Good luck, hope you find something soon!
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Old 22.01.2023, 11:59
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Re: Responsibilities prior to going on RAV …?

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You need to start looking for jobs from the date of notice, NOT from the date of unemployment, otherwise you will be penalised!

BTDT.

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A theoretical question, based on a conversation with a colleague:

If one is placed on a long garden leave - 6 to 12 months is common in her company - one is not available to work until that leave is up. Even conversations with potential employers during that time could be deemed a breach of the garden leave terms.

So when should one contact RAV if one is not available for work until garden leave has expired?
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Well yes, I’m already looking even before my notice has been given.
They love ‘alternative’ job search, too. You can log attendance at any networking events, trade fairs, etc. as part of your job search. Not every job search entry has to be a response to a standard job advert.
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Re: Responsibilities prior to going on RAV …?

By the way - there will be no notice here if you say contract will end, right?
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A theoretical question, based on a conversation with a colleague:

If one is placed on a long garden leave - 6 to 12 months is common in her company - one is not available to work until that leave is up. Even conversations with potential employers during that time could be deemed a breach of the garden leave terms.

So when should one contact RAV if one is not available for work until garden leave has expired?
Your colleague should check directly with the RAV - garden leave where they receive payment and an understanding not to work for competitors is one thing but the inability to look for new work sounds a bit shaky. Your colleague doesn’t want to get on the wrong side of the RAV before it’s begun.
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Old 22.01.2023, 12:08
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Re: Responsibilities prior to going on RAV …?

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Well yes, I’m already looking even before my notice has been given.
OK, do at least two/week, and you will be fine.

Also, sign on to RAV no later than your last day of employment, otherwise you will be penalized.

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Old 22.01.2023, 12:13
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A theoretical question, based on a conversation with a colleague:

If one is placed on a long garden leave - 6 to 12 months is common in her company - one is not available to work until that leave is up. Even conversations with potential employers during that time could be deemed a breach of the garden leave terms.

So when should one contact RAV if one is not available for work until garden leave has expired?
Last day of employment/garden leave.

But they still need to make job applications from date of notice!

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Last day of employment/garden leave.

But they still need to make job applications from date of notice!

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So if one is not available to work for 12 months, what are RAV expecting from those applications?

Her field is pretty niche, and wasting employers' time with an application when she can't work for a year could be shooting herself in the foot with those few companies in her field.

So as not to damage her reputation with those employers, should she apply to places outside her field, where she is unlikely to get a job, during this garden leave year? Would RAV accept that?
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Old 22.01.2023, 12:38
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So if one is not available to work for 12 months, what are RAV expecting from those applications?

Her field is pretty niche, and wasting employers' time with an application when she can't work for a year could be shooting herself in the foot with those few companies in her field.

So as not to damage her reputation with those employers, should she apply to places outside her field, where she is unlikely to get a job, during this garden leave year? Would RAV accept that?
Best would be to talk to RAV to clarify the situation. No need to sign on, just talk.

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Old 22.01.2023, 12:53
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So if one is not available to work for 12 months, what are RAV expecting from those applications?

Her field is pretty niche, and wasting employers' time with an application when she can't work for a year could be shooting herself in the foot with those few companies in her field.

So as not to damage her reputation with those employers, should she apply to places outside her field, where she is unlikely to get a job, during this garden leave year? Would RAV accept that?
RAV/ Kasse looks back to the unemployment notice date but not greater than three months prior to official first day of unemployment for documented job search efforts.

Efforts to find a job include:
a. Job applications for job advertisements
b. Contacts with recruiting firms
c. Contacts with the job-seeker's network, e.g., emails or phone calls to former colleagues and supervisors, posting on job-seeker's Linkedin profile indicating "open to new opportunities", etc.
d. Spontaneous applications to companies of specific interest but for which there is not an advertised position

After registering for RAV, the RAV adviser will provide feedback on the number of efforts per month and their composition going forward.

- Canton Zurich ALK requires 10-12 efforts per month and a job-seeker probably won't go wrong in other cantons by making 10-12 efforts per month for three months prior to the first day of unemployment.
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Old 22.01.2023, 13:11
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By the way - there will be no notice here if you say contract will end, right?
Well yes - but they have to tell me three months in advance that my contract will not be renewed.
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Old 22.01.2023, 13:23
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Re: Responsibilities prior to going on RAV …?

One has to search for 10 jobs per month starting 3 months before the end of a contract. Even if renewal is not definite. One should report at least one week before the end of the contract to the RAV. There is a 5 day grace period at the start of unemployment or after reporting, which ever comes last, before receiving any benefits.
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Old 22.01.2023, 14:13
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Am I supposed to contact RAV as soon as I know my contract will not be renewed?
I don't know if you're strictly supposed to, but I suppose it can't hurt - at least it will guarantee that your application for Arbeitslosengeld will be processed and in place by the time you are. There's no obligation to have sent out applications prior to approaching them, but again, it can't hurt to send a few out as this will be a sign for them that you're serious about getting another job and thus start your relationship with them on a positive note.

The only thing you need to bring is your termination letter or Kündigung. Important with this is that it states that the reason your employment was terminated was not due to anything you did or did not do, but as a result of restructuring, cutbacks or the company going bust.

How many jobs you'll be asked to search for depends on what you do for a living. A cook or builder may be asked to send out 20 applications per month, while a specialized worker, such as a data scientist or radiographer may only be asked to send out as few as 6.
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So if one is not available to work for 12 months, what are RAV expecting from those applications?
I'd not apply to the RAV until the last three months of that garden leave, in such a scenario, after all, even if it is garden leave, you're still officially employed.
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Old 22.01.2023, 15:19
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You need to start looking for jobs from the date of notice, NOT from the date of unemployment, otherwise you will be penalised!

BTDT.

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And if you are on a fixed contract a month before it ends.
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