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Do you have a similar degeneration path for those of us who are not blokes .
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Old 21.08.2008, 16:34
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That suits fine, server room is too cold for skirts.

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That suits fine, server room is too cold for skirts.
You see, it's happening to you
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Do you have a similar degeneration path for those of us who are not blokes .
Yes, as I have worked in IT/Helpdesk environments since I dropped out of college, and am a chick:

You may fit into one of following categories.

The Shegeek: Tapered jeans, long t-shirts which give no indication of your female curves, white runners or birkenstocks are your wardrobe staples. Hair is generally long, unstyled and no makeup touches your face. Generally very competent, but scares easily.

The Domina: Fitted clothes, lipstick, high-heels, stylish in general. You know your s***e and don't take any s***e from anyone. You love to crack your whip at the minions who adore you (I personally go for this look on Tuesdays to mix it up). She will bite your head off for not knowing what to do. And then she'll do it herself.

The Intelligent Hippie: Minimalist, but stylish. Oozing with know-how which makes every IT-guy want to hold your hand. Not a show off, but you get it done and do it well. She might not get it done RIGHT now, but will get around to it, eventually.

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Hmmm...more of a sundress and flip-flops kind of girl myself

BTW, I'm the boss.
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But I know you are none of those. So tell me, how would your colleagues describe you ?

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Yes, as I have worked in IT/Helpdesk environments since I dropped out of college, and am a chick:

You may fit into one of following categories.

The Shegeek: Tapered jeans, long t-shirts which give no indication of your female curves, white runners or birkenstocks are your wardrobe staples. Hair is generally long, unstyled and no makeup touches your face. Generally very competent, but scares easily.

The Domina: Fitted clothes, lipstick, high-heels, stylish in general. You know your s***e and don't take any s***e from anyone. You love to crack your whip at the minions who adore you (I personally go for this look on Tuesdays to mix it up). She will bite your head off for not knowing what to do. And then she'll do it herself.

The Intelligent Hippie: Minimalist, but stylish. Oozing with know-how which makes every IT-guy want to hold your hand. Not a show off, but you get it done and do it well. She might not get it done RIGHT now, but will get around to it, eventually.

Sorry for the generalizing if I offend anyone
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Old 21.08.2008, 16:45
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Yes, as I have worked in IT/Helpdesk environments since I dropped out of college, and am a chick:

You may fit into one of following categories.

The Shegeek: Tapered jeans, long t-shirts which give no indication of your female curves, white runners or birkenstocks are your wardrobe staples. Hair is generally long, unstyled and no makeup touches your face. Generally very competent, but scares easily.

The Domina: Fitted clothes, lipstick, high-heels, stylish in general. You know your s***e and don't take any s***e from anyone. You love to crack your whip at the minions who adore you (I personally go for this look on Tuesdays to mix it up). She will bite your head off for not knowing what to do. And then she'll do it herself.

The Intelligent Hippie: Minimalist, but stylish. Oozing with know-how which makes every IT-guy want to hold your hand. Not a show off, but you get it done and do it well. She might not get it done RIGHT now, but will get around to it, eventually.

Sorry for the generalizing if I offend anyone
All the people you have listed here are competent?
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But I know you are none of those. So tell me, how would your colleagues describe you ?

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See above

Describe me? Probably as 'that cute one who can be a real b***h'. I am not cute. I am a force to be reckoned with!

Back on topic, what do you guys think about ITIL certs?
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I guess which one of the last two I fit into will depend upon the day of the week. Never been the first one, I may work with blokes all day long but I ain't going that route.

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Yes, as I have worked in IT/Helpdesk environments since I dropped out of college, and am a chick:

You may fit into one of following categories.

The Shegeek: Tapered jeans, long t-shirts which give no indication of your female curves, white runners or birkenstocks are your wardrobe staples. Hair is generally long, unstyled and no makeup touches your face. Generally very competent, but scares easily.

The Domina: Fitted clothes, lipstick, high-heels, stylish in general. You know your s***e and don't take any s***e from anyone. You love to crack your whip at the minions who adore you (I personally go for this look on Tuesdays to mix it up). She will bite your head off for not knowing what to do. And then she'll do it herself.

The Intelligent Hippie: Minimalist, but stylish. Oozing with know-how which makes every IT-guy want to hold your hand. Not a show off, but you get it done and do it well. She might not get it done RIGHT now, but will get around to it, eventually.

Sorry for the generalizing if I offend anyone
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All the people you have listed here are competent?
They're women.

Seriously, if a chick can survive in IT, she had better darn well be competent. Or just speak softly and carry a large stick.

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ITIL qualifications are for project managers and those who want to one day not be a techy...so very important depending on where you want to end up.
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...So you could design old buildings?
Solutions architect now dear chap...and they rate up there with God and other infallible beings.
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Solutions architect now dear chap...and they rate up there with God and other infallible beings.
Sorry, just trying to be funny.


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Solutions architect now dear chap...and they rate up there with God and other infallible beings.
actually I meant buildings!
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Wooow, thank guys for the advice, i can see it clearly through your discussions now, i just realized i'm on the developers / administration side of IT, i've been always working with SQL & AD DS configuration & administration before, so i just got my MCITP learning kit, OS, setup my VMs & just installed my first AD Server yesterday for practical training, it's really what i would love to do
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another question came up on my mind now, after finishing the study, is there a recommendation on how to get a stage/training in a swiss company?, also what i'm currently studying is MS AD Server 2008, is there alot of companies in Switzerland who have upgraded to it from previous versions?
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another question came up on my mind now, after finishing the study, is there a recommendation on how to get a stage/training in a swiss company?, also what i'm currently studying is MS AD Server 2008, is there alot of companies in Switzerland who have upgraded to it from previous versions?
Doubtful, any sane company will probably wait for the first service pack. Doesn't mean you shouldn't study it though, its the future and what everyone will be using in 2 years time.
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Wooow, thank guys for the advice, i can see it clearly through your discussions now, i just realized i'm on the developers / administration side of IT, i've been always working with SQL & AD DS configuration & administration before, so i just got my MCITP learning kit, OS, setup my VMs & just installed my first AD Server yesterday for practical training, it's really what i would love to do
Developer and Administration are quite different IMO although both can be interesting. Be careful though, if you want to be a developer be a developer otherwise you'll be a sys admin always looking for the opportunity to develop. The best terminology I can think of for this can of person is annoying. Don't fall into this trap.

If Active Directory interests you go down the MCSE route. Windows isn't my bag baby but I'm sure AD administration is interesting. To my knowledge (little knowledge of Windows) there is no reason to run an AD server in a VM so while it's great to play around with all these things focus on AD if this is where you want to go, it's pretty big, you should have plenty to keep you busy.
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I don't disagree, but there are exceptions to that rule. I got my start in IT as a paper tiger shortly after getting my MCSD. (I'll be forever grateful to the guy who hired me!)


Great advice.

Before I decided, a friend put it this way: "At least choose between being a systems tech or a developer. A systems tech is usually on call 24/7. A developer usually works 8 hours and goes home." (I chose developer. )
Yes support can suck as even in Banks cover is needed 24/7 somehow and just because there is a 'local' holiday does not means support is not needed. Only Global Holidays like Xmas count even in Banks.

I moved out of this game long time ago.

If anyone is interested I have a whole bunch of NEW (unread) MCSE books. Can't see myself using them now either.

Another area to look at is ITIL foundation courses. Once again you can do this as self study.

The main thing is decide what area you want ot work in and focus on that. However beware of many roles being outsourced to cheaper locations.
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The main thing is decide what area you want ot work in and focus on that. However beware of many roles being outsourced to cheaper locations.
Good point, more and more development is done offshore, you generally need sys admins in the location especially when sensitive data is concerned.
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