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I need some advice on studying & certification in IT Field, I'm willing to start back studies, i made some researches on what commonly interest me to study as well as being required in the IT job market, my conclusion was:

1- MCITP - Enterprise Administrator.
2- CCNA as a start, followed by CCNP at later stage.

At a later stage will be going through MCSD for Microsoft .NET Certification & Linux Certified Administrator.

I'm wondering if this combination is good?, also I'm doing this as self paced studies & will be doing exams in certified exam centers in Switzerland.

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Re: IT Certifications

What is your previous IT experience & what do you do right now?
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Old 21.08.2008, 11:39
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What is your previous IT experience & what do you do right now?
My previous experience is in Audio, visual & multimedia incl. setup, configuration & design, basic IT hardware, software & network configuration + installation were involved in my tasks but not the main thing.

I'm currently sort of unemployed (Just have a small online project), but willing to start in IT field on pro level.
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Re: IT Certifications

You have a couple of problems here as I see it. You have basic IT skills but the certifications that you plan to take are not really entry level certificates and also if you do pass them you would basically be a paper tiger; your knowledge would be theoretical & not practical. Also you cannot start in IT at Pro level, you need to get in, most likely at the bottom in a help desk scenario, & then work your way up. AFAIK the CCNA also requires a fair amount of hands on experience as a requirement.

The other problem is that the certs you mantion cover a very wide base. Most people specialise in networks or servers, not so many do both.

I think you need to decide which branch of IT you would like to specialise in and start from there. Hope this advice is aat least a little constructive for you and not negative.
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Re: IT Certifications

I agree with most of what Lou said but:

I think the CCNA is a great course for anybody in IT to take, it amazes me the amount of support staff that have close to zero network knowledge. As mentioned though you may struggle to pass this unless you are working in networking every day.

I'd focus on either MS or Unix/Linux, not both. Scripting skills are needed for most sys admin roles but again, work out if you want to be a developer or a sys admin.

You do need experience, be prepared to start low even if you progress quickly.
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...you would basically be a paper tiger; your knowledge would be theoretical & not practical...
I don't disagree, but there are exceptions to that rule. I got my start in IT as a paper tiger shortly after getting my MCSD. (I'll be forever grateful to the guy who hired me!)

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I think you need to decide which branch of IT you would like to specialise in and start from there.
Great advice.

Before I decided, a friend put it this way: "At least choose between being a systems tech or a developer. A systems tech is usually on call 24/7. A developer usually works 8 hours and goes home." (I chose developer. )
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Developers generally get paid more, and can retain their sanity, and actually make something rather than just fight fires to retain the Status Quo, down down, deeper and down.

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Re: IT Certifications

Start with a Network+ book if you want to do networking, you'll never get a CCNA without kit to play with.

It depends on the type of person you are...and its worth finding out.
Some people will want to spend their time writing lines of code.
Others will want to play with hardware, fix things and understand what the hell everything does.
I think you are either one or the other and neither is that glamorous.

Whichever one you choose overtime and out of hours work should be expected.

Also developers do not get paid more, it all depends on what your specialism is.

Edit: if you are going to try and get into IT without practical experience but by reading books then go developer.
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Re: IT Certifications

There were a lot of MCSE Paper Tigers on the market late 90's early 00's. They basically devalued the whole certification industry to the point it made a 2000 MCSE practically worthless, the earn mega bucks with 2 weeks training ads did not help the situation. Now I am not saying that all those who got into IT via this route are no good, some turn out to be really good but the majority are not. I remember interviewing one guy for a position on my team, his CV looked fantastic with great certs but as soon as I asked him some basic questions it was obvious he did not have a clue as all his knowledge was theoretical & not practical.

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Aye, I recommend doing something like Network+ or even A+ to discover if you like being a gray box mechanic. You will most likely decide that writing code is more exotic, because it's called code.

A few years down the line you will realise that it's all meaningless, virtual crap that doesn't really matter and you'll fantasize about working with things audio visual.

Wait... isn't that what you do now?

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Aye, I recommend doing something like Network+ or even A+ to discover if you like being a gray box mechanic. You will most likely decide that writing code is more exotic, because it's called code.

A few years down the line you will realise that it's all meaningless, virtual crap that doesn't really matter and you'll fantasize about working with things audio visual.

Wait... isn't that what you do now?

(all of the above is autobiographical)

Pretty standard I reckon. Most people start in IT and are excited by it, they then get ground down by the irritation's of it all and try to move away from support/development to something related but not so focused.
Beware the 45 year old code monkey who has been a dedicated code monkey since he was 20, for there you shall find issues.
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It depends on the type of person you are...and its worth finding out.
Some people will want to spend their time writing lines of code.
Others will want to play with hardware, fix things and understand what the hell everything does.
I think you are either one or the other and neither is that glamorous.

Whichever one you choose overtime and out of hours work should be expected.

Also developers do not get paid more, it all depends on what your specialism is.
It totally depends on what kind of person you are.

I never want to become a developer, my current role is too slow because I'm in a 3rd level role. Personally I love the smell of napalm in the morning, being in the thick of things when the **** hits the fan is what keeps me interested.
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Pretty standard I reckon. Most people start in IT and are excited by it, they then get ground down by the irritation's of it all and try to move away from support/development to something related but not so focused.
Beware the 45 year old code monkey who has been a dedicated code monkey since he was 20, for there you shall find issues.
Or anyone who reminisces about working with Cobol and Fortran.
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I never want to become a developer, my current role is too slow because I'm in a 3rd level role. Personally I love the smell of napalm in the morning, being in the thick of things when the **** hits the fan is what keeps me interested.
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My kindred spirit I can code but I hate it. Give me a crashed server & I am seventh heaven.
I think whatever the path all IT people get gradually more deranged and detached the longer they are in the industry, you can even tell it in the way they dress.

When you have a particularly taxing issue and need further help generally those that can assist in ascending order of ability are:
  • Bloke wearing socks under sandals
  • Bloke wearing socks under sandals with facial hair
  • Bloke wearing socks under sandals with impressive beard
  • Bloke wearing socks under sandals, impressive beard and obscure death metal t-shirt/short sleeve shirt bought from seconds basket for under 10chf
You can spot a desktop support guy or 1st line guy from a mile away since they still try, normally in vain, to keep up with recent fashions.

If I could go back in time I'd become an architect.
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Give me a crashed server and I'm off to lunch (and my code is probably the problem).
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You sound like our second line guys.
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Do you have a similar degeneration path for those of us who are not blokes .

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I think whatever the path all IT people get gradually more deranged and detached the longer they are in the industry, you can even tell it in the way they dress.

When you have a particularly taxing issue and need further help generally those that can assist in ascending order of ability are:
  • Bloke wearing socks under sandals
  • Bloke wearing socks under sandals with facial hair
  • Bloke wearing socks under sandals with impressive beard
  • Bloke wearing socks under sandals, impressive beard and obscure death metal t-shirt/short sleeve shirt bought from seconds basket for under 10chf
You can spot a desktop support guy or 1st line guy from a mile away since they still try, normally in vain, to keep up with recent fashions.

If I could go back in time I'd become an architect.
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If I could go back in time I'd become an architect.
...So you could design old buildings?
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