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Old 25.05.2023, 19:02
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Another very important point: your cahier des charges=official job description (sorry, don't know the name in German/Italian) is a very important document that needs to be agreed to and signed by both the employer and the employee.

If you are routinely being asked to do tasks that aren't in your job description, either the description should be modified to include these tasks, or the tasks should be assigned to someone else.

If you are working more than the agreed-upon number of hours than what your contract is for you need to be compensated accordingly. This is basic employment law.

I think many people don't take their official work descriptions seriously enough, or are too timid to discusss their work description with their employer. There is absolutely nothing wrong with requesting an update of your job description to reflect your actual work situation, or with raising an objection if you think you are being asked to perform unreasonable tasks or work unpaid overtime.
And the piece where the employer decides your a pain in the butt, dismisses you and immediately replaces you with someone else is covered where in your version of Swiss HR law????
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Old 25.05.2023, 21:48
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Another very important point: your cahier des charges=official job description (sorry, don't know the name in German/Italian) is a very important document that needs to be agreed to and signed by both the employer and the employee.

If you are routinely being asked to do tasks that aren't in your job description, either the description should be modified to include these tasks, or the tasks should be assigned to someone else.

If you are working more than the agreed-upon number of hours than what your contract is for you need to be compensated accordingly. This is basic employment law.

I think many people don't take their official work descriptions seriously enough, or are too timid to discusss their work description with their employer. There is absolutely nothing wrong with requesting an update of your job description to reflect your actual work situation, or with raising an objection if you think you are being asked to perform unreasonable tasks or work unpaid overtime.
I have never seen anything like this. JDs fluctuate all the time in many roles based on business need. Imagine keeping track of that. And most of them anyway say something like "you will perform duties to delivers your job not described here" etc.
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I have never seen anything like this. JDs fluctuate all the time in many roles based on business need. Imagine keeping track of that. And most of them anyway say something like "you will perform duties to delivers your job not described here" etc.
This is surprising to me. I have only ever had this one job in my life so I assumed the conditions I have had all this time were standard for all of Switzerland.

My HR are absolute sticklers for the wording and contents of our Cahier des Charges (CdC) and people on permanent contracts are constantly being encouraged to keep their CdC up to date as their role evolves over time. It is mandated that I review mine together with my supervisors once per year, I have lost track of how many times it has been updated. The wording is often still a bit vague in some areas for obvious reasons, but all tasks and responsibilities that we perform during our work should be reflected somewhere on the CdC, and it should also be very clear if I have any managerial or supervisory roles over other employees.


It seems odd to me that one would sign a work contract without also having a document that describes what tasks you are agreeing to perform as part of your job. I guess I am a bit out of touch with the way things work in other places... Y'all just sign a piece of paper that says hours per week and salary and that's it??? Would be very curious to know other people's experiences.

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Old 26.05.2023, 06:50
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This is surprising to me. I have only ever had this one job in my life so I assumed the conditions I have had all this time were standard for all of Switzerland.

My HR are absolute sticklers for the wording and contents of our Cahier des Charges (CdC) and people on permanent contracts are constantly being encouraged to keep their CdC up to date as their role evolves over time. It is mandated that I review mine together with my supervisors once per year, I have lost track of how many times it has been updated. The wording is often still a bit vague in some areas for obvious reasons, but all tasks and responsibilities that we perform during our work should be reflected somewhere on the CdC, and it should also be very clear if I have any managerial or supervisory roles over other employees.


It seems odd to me that one would sign a work contract without also having a document that describes what tasks you are agreeing to perform as part of your job. I guess I am a bit out of touch with the way things work in other places... Would be very curious to know other people's experiences.
I totally understand where you are coming from and in an ideal world, what you describe is really great as it's really clear. And it's great that your company has the resources to do this. I have just not seen it anywhere else for as you describe and it's definitely not a must have.
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Another very important point: your cahier des charges=official job description (sorry, don't know the name in German/Italian) is a very important document that needs to be agreed to and signed by both the employer and the employee.
Never have seen such a thing, here or elsewhere.

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Never have seen such a thing, here or elsewhere.

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You don't need a Cahier des Charge for menial work, Tom
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