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80% of jobs are never advertised: A urban myth?

Forever told that most jobs are never advertised, an urban myth or true. Who reading this got his job thru a friend that was never advertised?
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Old 23.04.2009, 19:39
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Re: 80% of jobs are never advertised: A urban myth?

I got my current job through an advertisement, but the one before completly through "vitamin b". I know many others who made similar experiences, so I can believe it is more than 50%...
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Re: 80% of jobs are never advertised: A urban myth?

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Forever told that most jobs are never advertised, an urban myth or true. Who reading this got his job thru a friend that was never advertised?
It depends on the type of job. Advertising a job brings additional cost. If the needed skills are in demand and hard to find, the job will be in most of the cases advertised.
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Re: 80% of jobs are never advertised: A urban myth?

I currently work as a contractor, and got my previous (UK) contract through a friend. It never got advertised outside the company that I went to work at.

Out of about a dozen jobs (mix of permanent and contract) I've had over the years, two of them were obtained in that manner.
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Old 23.04.2009, 19:42
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Re: 80% of jobs are never advertised: A urban myth?

I have only ever applied for one job and got it through the advertise/apply/interview process - but my 'work' tends to be casual, flexible, project orientated, with a lot of 'volunteer' stuff as well.
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Re: 80% of jobs are never advertised: A urban myth?

The three jobs I've had since I've been here were unadvertised, so I tend to believe that a good number of openings remain unadvertised. I didn't get the jobs through friends though, I just applied anyhow.
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Re: 80% of jobs are never advertised: A urban myth?

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Forever told that most jobs are never advertised, an urban myth or true. Who reading this got his job thru a friend that was never advertised?
Nup. All four (full time) jobs I've had in my life have been advertised (although I did have a friend put in a good word for me with the first one).

EDIT: How does one classify jobs that are advertised internally within companies ? Clearly if this advert is going out to, say, tens of thousands of employees within the company, it hardly counts as "jobs for the boys".
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Re: 80% of jobs are never advertised: A urban myth?

I've found jobs through job ads and word of mouth, and I would think that the majority of jobs would not be advertised. But, for me at least, being non-EU, the word of mouth way in Switzerland wouldn't be any good, as an employer would still have to prove they went through all the proper channels, so beware of doing it this way if you are non-EU.

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I've found jobs through job ads and word of mouth, and I would think that the majority of jobs would not be advertised. But, for me at least, being non-EU, the word of mouth way in Switzerland wouldn't be any good, as an employer would still have to prove they went through all the proper channels, so beware of doing it this way if you are non-EU.

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While I am from the EU, I know some who are not and got jobs here through word of mouth. As you said, the employer then had to advertise it anyway to prove he did all he could... but if you "know your candidate" before, you can of course easily narrow the search profile so much down that few would apply... or simply do not fit the employers requirements... sounds stupid, but I have seen this happening.
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Re: 80% of jobs are never advertised: A urban myth?

there are head hunters around ... that is maybe why !!?


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Got all my jobs in Switzerland via advertisements.
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Re: 80% of jobs are never advertised: A urban myth?

I guess this all depends on how one understands "never advertised". From my experience a large number of jobs are never advertised outside of the hiring company, but I wouldn't say that they don't get advertised at all.
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Old 24.04.2009, 09:59
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Re: 80% of jobs are never advertised: A urban myth?

When I was looking for a new assistant I contacted a head hunter - she recommended a couple of people she had on her books, I picked one, that was it! The job was never advertised in the papers etc.
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Old 24.04.2009, 10:05
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Re: 80% of jobs are never advertised: A urban myth?

Some jobs get primarily advertised internally within companies then if a potential candidate is not found they become advertised by recruiting agencies. I got all my three jobs from ads and one by a word of mouth from my colleague.
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Old 24.04.2009, 10:25
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Re: 80% of jobs are never advertised: A urban myth?

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I can well imagine it is true.

I work for a major industrial company with three letters. My job was never advertised but I found out through friends. The two people who joined since me got in through a similar mechanism. At the time I was pressing my boss to advertise these positions properly so we could have had more choice of candidates. It wasn't that he didn't want to. It's just that HR are so complicated about it.

They told us that first they would have to word the ad, and therer were special guidelines they had to follow there and several people had to approve. Then it would be sent to an external graphics design agency who would make sure it was laid out in keeping with the corporate design guidelines. Then it would have to be approved by an internal branding guru and only then would it appear in the newspapers. Of course they would bill us for all this, so we would be spending a four if not five figure sum before we even opened the first application. Furthermore, this process could take upwards of eight months. This sort of work is lowest priority with HR as they spend most of their time pandying upper management, networking, drinking coffee and going on seminars while complaining that they are overworked and that nobody appreciates what they do.

In most cases, you simply can't afford to wait that long and so you have to find your people some other way.
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Re: 80% of jobs are never advertised: A urban myth?

If you're looking for a job remember it's easier for a recruiter to hire someone from within a network - friends, inhouse, agency - than the whole rigmarole of advertising and the associated admin.

Those who find jobs via ads are likely to respond that they found their jobs through ads, right?

The rest get it via Vitamin B, as it always has been and likely to ever be. The lesson is get your CV on file at agencies and invite lots of people for coffee: friends of friends, even. You'll be surprised how accomodating people will be with their time if you tell them you'd like say, 15 minutes only, to introduce yourself - if you haven't met them already - and tell them what you're looking for.

Don't be pushy by asking directly but do make sure you know your message so they can take it away and ponder how they could help.

People do actually want to help, it's in our nature. Very often with large companies there's a finder's fee, where the 'finder' gets rewarded for a successful new hire. It could be you.

It can be hard work psychologically to confront people and say "here's my situation" / "keep me in mind" but folks will say No if they can't help you.

There's no shame in asking; dignity can be preserved by being transparent and honest.

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Re: 80% of jobs are never advertised: A urban myth?

When I was looking for a job I was talking to a lot of frienda and it si surprising how many friends my friends have that I wasn't aware of, and in some cases adding in their friends as well, I was able to gain access to quite a lot of different companies including some very high profile ones.

In some cases I even got invited for interviews although the interviewer was up front about it and said there wasn't actually a position availble. Nevertheless, doing this gave me a lot of insight into the way smaller Swiss companies work. The interviewers were also often quite frank and told me what they did and didn't like about my CV and what I should work on more. The learning value of this process was far greater than any book I ever read on the subject or any seminar I ever did. I was often also taken on a guided tour after the interview or as part of it and got to talk to other employees and see what they did. To some degree, I was able to use the knowledge gained to make my CV more focussed.
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Re: 80% of jobs are never advertised: A urban myth?

In the last twenty years, I have had seven different jobs. Of those, one was advertised, I was approached by the employer for four others, one I applied for on my own (without an advert) and the one I am in now I got purely because of Vitamin B.
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